TV show "Medium" * SPOILERS * = don't read if you don't want the plot spoiled

[Stephanie]

Thanks Carolyn for reminding me...whatever would I do without you?

I hope everyone saw this episode or has access to it. The summary is that Allison foresees a guy kidnapping one of her children, though she later finds out at the end of the episode that won't happen for at least another 10 years or so. (Yeah, that is a quick summary, someone can explain it more if they wish.)

After she discovers who the guy is, she follows him, and then hits his car with her car while reporting the whole thing to the cops. They meet face to face at the end of the episode and Allison tells the guy to prove her wrong that he isn't evil.

So, my psych side starts to think on this for a bit, and here's my question....

Since Allison foresaw that he was going to take one of her children but not for at least ten years, who's to say that it wasn't she, by comfronting him now about it, change the man into being evil? I understand the whole the "free will" part of the arguement. Maybe what she did was the catalyst...

I also understand this could be just a whole circle of what if's too.

[CarolynB]

... or by confronting him now, she stops him from creating that particular reality that she foresaw.

[Stephanie]

Thanks to the moderators for making this a separate thread. Makes much more sense now.

True Carolyn, but I bet Allison scared that girl pretty good. I know if anyone came up to me in the street like that, I'd be scared of them too.

So, this makes me wonder a bit more. Did this actually happen to Allison with her girls, or is this episode a bit fabricated (sp?)?

Clasclar

[Pam]

Since Allison foresaw that he was going to take one of her children but not for at least ten years, who's to say that it wasn't she, by comfronting him now about it, change the man into being evil? I understand the whole the "free will" part of the arguement. Maybe what she did was the catalyst...
Interesting question. My gut tells me that someone's ability to behave in an evil manner can't be prompted by another's words. Sure, someone can really torque you by hurtful words, and prompt you to do things you might not normally do, but that's usually called "an act of passion". The acts she saw were pre-meditated. Ask yourself - could you be prompted to commit an evil act because you were accused of it? You'd have to have that seed of deep evil already sown in your soul somewhere.

In John's pyschic development tapes, he talks about "making predictions along a line of probability". He talks about the bottom line being our own free will. In this story line, the things she "sees" are along a line of probability. Those things will "probably" happen if the current energy of thought and action don't change. In a case like the one described in the story, I think if anything, she might prevent the man from committing the crime, because he knows there's someone else who will know of his guilt.

I could be totally wrong, there are just my 1.5 cents! :chatter:

[CarolynB]

I also think things can change - even dramatically, depending on what we do NOW. Dr. Brian Weiss writes in Same Soul, Many Bodies about progessing the same people and having them see their futures change based on decisions they made now. Although he's progressing them into future lives, I believe that the same holds true for our present lives. Because of free will we can actualize a different future experience than the one we're presently on. JE also speaks of this with regard to his grandmother's passing. He believes that she "decided" to stay longer than she originally planned. He had had about 6 psychics (whom he trusts) tell him she was leaving soon (this was before his mother crossed). She ended up leaving about 7 years later. [I heard him talk about this at the August 31, 2004 small group seminar.]

[Irishrose]

The thing that got my attention was that the girl really did not know who Allison was. Now, if what she was seeing was in the future wouldn't you think you would still know who your Mom was????

Interesting addition Carolyn. The thing I liked about what Dr. Weiss did was allow the individual to have a look at a few paths to see what would happen if they chose a particular path compared to one or two other paths. Really a great read.

In essence, I am wondering if Allison is doing much the same thing. She is seeing the dark path of this man, if he chooses to go down that path.

I would have liked to have seen that story end with a clearer definition.

[Stephanie]

See what I mean... how it got my thinking processes going and my psych schooling came out.

It is an interesting arguement about what Dr. Weiss talks about. Sadly, I haven't been able to read any of his books yet. I asked for a couple for my bday, but I guess it wasn't meant to be at this point. Once I get passed this month paying bills and stuff, I want to go to the bookstore and get some more books, including ones by Dr. Weiss.

I have John's psychic development cds, though I have to admit I haven't been able to go through them all yet, so I missed the part where he talks about "predicting along the line of probability". From what we all on this board have come to realize though, is that anything is possible, and along in tow comes the probability that it might happen as well. Who knows? :hmm:

Though isn't it possible to say that we all have somewhere deep inside us that little seed of evil? Maybe I shouldn't say evil, but fear, doubt, bad, negative..whatever. Lots of food for thought....:shrug:

[CarolynB]

Irishrose - the girl Allison warned was not her daughter, but the guy's first victim - Sharona.

[Irishrose]

Oh! Thank you. Missed that part. Makes it much clearer now....

[CarolynB]

<SPOILER 2/14/05> Okay, wow! The Valentine's Day episode of Medium features a reprise of the sleazy lawyer along with his son. It's funny to watch him watching her when the investigation is going on (he's a suspect). The subplot involving Joe's colleague is equally intriguing. I thought it was interesting that he claimed the visions instead of saying his wife had them.