Another new episode of Medium tonite: Evil Medium

[Jude]

Another new episode of Medium will be airing in about 8 minutes, 10pm EDT/9pmCDT.

[Tanner2]

Okay, this show has me a little confused. Were these people possessed by an evil entity? What’s your take on this?

[Pam]

Yes, the original murderer was the doctor from the 1800's. His point to Allison was, even though he himself died, he was still "sick" and still had the hunger to murder. He had not progressed spiritually.

He sought out people (doctors) that were "open" or "sensitive" -- just like a psychic medium, in fact, they were mediums when they were connecting to this dead doctor. Not only was he was able to communicate with the doctors, he was able to worm his way into their psyche and convince them to do his murdering for them. He literally possessed them.

I think the show made an excellent point that was not lost on me -- I know this all too well, from some of the aquaintances I have made through this online community over the years. Mediums can be evil, and can do evil. Just because you can connect to the Other Side, doesn't automatically make you a nice person. Buyer beware.

[Gail]

Since we've heard there are "levels" on the Other Side that people go to, there has to be a lowest level. I would assume that level contains the souls that have the longest journey to raise themselves up. I would also assume some of those souls would be considered to be evil to us.

John doesn't seem to connect with the lower levels but who knows if other mediums might make that level their favorite place to visit.

These are just my assumptions. :)

[megray]

That was a great synopsis, Pam. Scary stuff.

Did anyone think of Allison's daughter, when the evil spirit (through the girl) was saying he would just find someone else who was sensitive? It gave me the wiggins.

[Tanner2]

Yes. I thought I heard the voice say there were three other people he had his eye on, which made me think of Allison's three girls. At least that's what I thought I heard.

Thanks Pam. I tuned in about 10:25 and missed the whole intro into the show. I'll rewatch the tape.

[Theophilia]

Yes, the original murderer was the doctor from the 1800's. His point to Allison was, even though he himself died, he was still "sick" and still had the hunger to murder. He had not progressed spiritually.

He sought out people (doctors) that were "open" or "sensitive" -- just like a psychic medium, in fact, they were mediums when they were connecting to this dead doctor. Not only was he was able to communicate with the doctors, he was able to worm his way into their psyche and convince them to do his murdering for them. He literally possessed them.

I think the show made an excellent point that was not lost on me -- I know this all too well, from some of the aquaintances I have made through this online community over the years. Mediums can be evil, and can do evil. Just because you can connect to the Other Side, doesn't automatically make you a nice person. Buyer beware.

I'm having a big problem with this in terms of understanding.

How can there be "evil spirits" on the OT? Or evil anything at all? We don't takethat stuff when we cross, at least, that is what I have heard John say. Or, I might have misunderstood.

But then, he cautions against using a Oujia board, saying, "You wouldn't invite a stranger into your home, would you?"

Padre Pio was beset by demons, so was Saint Faustina, quite the medium in her own right. But how can that be people who have passed?

I, quite frankly, do not get it. :shrug:

I am not arguing with it, just saying it seems so far outside of my experience with the OS that I do not understand. Well, except for one thing I had that was not so good, but that was while sleeping.

Does anyone we acknowledge as a medium say anything about all of this?

Theo-

[PBPan]

Theo, I'll try and take a stab at it based on what I've heard JE say about the lower levels of the other side.

John has said he doesn't believe that spirits are evil but rather negative. He says that evil exists on this side and he knows this for a fact because he has seen it in Television executives.

John has also mentioned on Jimmy Kimmell live that he was once house sitting for his cousin, and he felt something in the house that wigged him out enough to run out of the house and not come back.

He also told another story of when he was in his younger days and just starting out. He was doing a house party and a spirit over took his body, and it was the most disgusting feeling he'd ever had. He said that Whoopi Goldberg nailed in her performance in the movie Ghost after she had been possessed by a spirit trying to communicate.

So if you are seriously worried about this, surround yourself in prayer and white light, as even in the episode Allison challenged the spirit that he was able to slip in because of ignorance and she was going to rectify it with knowledge so he couldn't have that girl.

So does that help at all?

In regards to the "dark side" of the OS, I still question as to how much is Hollywood and how much is human projection of emotions about situations, or an over-active imagination. (I base that on some of my experiences)

Like if you take the story of the Amityville horror, this is supposedly a true story, but apparently after the movie and book was released, the father came forward and said that it was a hoax and was just after the profits... which makes it harder to separate the fact from the fiction, or the claims that the sisters who started the Spiritualism movement were making it up? (which I don't believe)

Therefore, when it comes to stories like this, I advise white light and prayer...

I mean take Gus. The theatre ghost in Fresno. He's a spirit that hasn't been acknowledged in years, finally JE comes to town, and he's blown away by the fact that for the first time in 20 years someone genuinely acknowledges and hears him, and instead of the person who's "feeling" his presence getting chills, freaking out, and getting a negative reaction... John gets an entire room of people to pray for him.

Why wasn't Gus hanging out on the other side with his loved ones? What made him Earth bound...?

This is a topic that opens a chaudry of further probing and questions... that only lead to more questions than answers.

Thanks for starting a very thought provoking thread...

[Pam]

I believe that based on what I've heard JE say, that Megan is 100% right about paraphrasing what JE says.

I don't believe that I have ever heard John say that we don't take negativity or evil with us when we cross. In fact, I've heard him say that you certainly don't all of a sudden "get it" or become spiritually evolved, just because you cross over. I've heard him say that you still have a spiritual path to progress on the other side (that's why he says we need to pray for those on the Other Side.)

And as Megan has said, he always says there are levels. That means that there are the bottom levels as well as higher ones. Early in his career, he read for a woman who had been present at a murderer's death. The murderer came through, but John said that his energy was 'not very spirually evolved' and didn't communicate clearly. (I have the reference to the article on my hard drive and can post it if you want.)

The reason we need 'protection' when we attempt psychic work, is to protect us from those energies, whether we call them "evil", "negative", or un-evolved.

[Phigalilly]

The reason we need 'protection' when we attempt psychic work, is to protect us from those energies, whether we call them "evil", "negative", or un-evolved.

This is SO important. Through my own ignorance as a teenager, I ended up in a bit of a mess with a connection I made through a Ouija board. It actually came up in my recent reading with Mary Jo McCabe. According to MJ, the person is still connected to me. She said that the woman isn't "bad" --through my experience with her I would call her "troubled" -- she committed suicide and left a young child behind. MJ said that our connection has been a positive thing for her and has helped her advance. For me, it's still a bit unnerving.

One of the things that got me about John is that I had never heard any other medium talk about anything like therapy on the Other Side, but that is exactly my experience of this woman. She talked about having to talk about her life and deal with the choices she made, and not wanting to to that. She was very resentful and bitter. She was also hysterically funny, and very very sad. The whole experience put my off ADC for many years.

The need for that protection is no joke.

[Jude]

Thanks for sharing your experience, Sandra. Definitely food for thought. :hmm:

[Theophilia]

First, thank you PBPan, Pam and Phigalilly for these answers, I know how much time and thought it takes to do that. And this really helped, I didn't know some of these things. (I wonder, Pam, if this should be in a thread with a name that reflects the subject, so new people will find it, because it is so important to be aware of?)

As to this:


So if you are seriously worried about this, surround yourself in prayer and white light, as even in the episode Allison challenged the spirit that he was able to slip in because of ignorance and she was going to rectify it with knowledge so he couldn't have that girl.


I'm not too worried about myself, I just find it hard to understand. What I know about myself is that I don't like the idea of doing any "psychic" work unless I am doing spiritual work and I actually think these are the same thing. That is, I would rather meditate in church about three feet from the Eucharist if I am going to be contacting anyone or being open to any messages. But, if you can be an "evil medium" then maybe they aren't necessarily the same thing at all.

Then, I thought I was just being superstitious. Maybe not. Something I once read, I can't remember where, commented on it being interesting that the best-known mediums today are either practicing Catholics or raised Catholic. It's hard to bring this up without sounding like I am doing a commercial for my religion. I'm just thinking there is more significance to that than coincidence. Even though the mediums themselves often have left the Church because of the human members disapproval of them.

Theo-

[megray]

This has been a really interesting thread to read. Thank you all for sharing. Phigalilly, you made me think of my Dad. I guess he was ahead of his time, in a lot of ways. When I was a kid, I was forbidden to play with Ouija boards. I remember I wanted one because my friend had one, and my Dad go so upset that I had been "playing" with one. I think it had something to do with the real story that The Exorcist is based on. My Dad remembered when it happened, and actually had a newspaper clipping about it, which I still have. Anyway, the Ouija board lecture was right up there with "don't talk to stangers".

[Phigalilly]

I've noticed the Catholic thing too, Theo, and wondered if it might be because Catholics are raised with the idea of Saints, who are, in the Catholic tradition, crossed over people who are able to intervene from the Other Side. In my experience, Catholics really address most of their prayers to Saints; people who were once alive and are now in spirit. Having that exposure as a child might make the whole idea of spirit communication less weird. And if you have some natural ability, that kind of acceptance and conditioning may make it easier to develop.

I also think the regular attendance of Catholic Mass as a child would be more likely to enhance any ability the child might have than a Protestant service would. (I use "Protestant" the way it's used academically to include "every Christian tradition that is not Roman Catholic or Orthodox." Anglicans and Episcopalians consider themselves "Catholic", the Roman Catholic Church would disagree.<sigh> Religion can be so annoying.:laff2: ) Mass is very meditative, and repetitve, and there is more participation required of the congregation than in a Protestant service which is much more "sermon" oriented. Not to mention the incense. I've never been to a Protestant service with incense.

One of my Big Dreams is to look into how mediums are treated, explained, trained, demonized, or deified by as many different cultures and traditions as I can. I know that Buddhist mediums exist, but the ability is seen as a no big deal byproduct of intense meditation, and a potential distraction to enlightenment. The thought being that if you get attached to being able to communicate with the dead, you're more likely to get stuck where you are.

There is an Orthodox bookstore across the street from the Episcopal church I sometimes attend. I bought a beautiful Icon there and wanted to ask the owner what he thought about mediums, but he was too busy. I've been to a few Orthodox services and I can't imagine a more conducive environment for someone with any natural ability. I wonder if the response is like the Catholic Church? Officially it's a big NO! But if you get the right priest, there may be some support, or at least understanding.

Sorry to rattle on and on, but we've stumbled on to one of my Big Dream plans here and I have a hard time shutting up! :eek:

[Tanner2]

I know this is really deep, but how would all this play into schizophrenia? Is there the slightest possibility that these people are hearing the voice of a crossed over entity? That's certainly how it appeared on the show.

[megray]

It certainly makes you wonder, Tanner.