View Full Version : James VanPraagh on Larry King - Dec. 28th
chargeit2him
12-28-2005, 06:52 AM
I received this email this morning in case anyone is interested.
"Tonight, Wednesday, December 28, 2005, I will be appearing on the prime
time television talk show, LARRY KING LIVE. Joining me will be medium
Sylvia Brown and psychic Char and we will be speaking with a panel of
skeptics on the show. "
Sandy
unicorn91432
12-28-2005, 07:46 AM
On his show last night, Larry King reminded everyone to watch tonight, as he put it, "the psychics versus the skeptics."
He did not name the psychics or skeptics who would be on the show.
If I had to guess, and it's just my personal opinion, I'll bet John Edward passes on this one.
Believer
12-28-2005, 03:24 PM
It still looks entertaining.
I love a good debate.
Only thing is though, I think that the psychics who participate give the skeptics a chance to be recognized and become well known. :tsktsk:
Laura
12-28-2005, 09:08 PM
Did anyone see this? It was very frustrating to watch. There was SO MUCH that could have been said. (However I guess its easy to say that when sitting safely at home and not in front of the cameras!)
When the skeptics asked about why they didn't let people know about the tsunami, etc., I was really surprised that none of the psychics said, "Well, maybe we weren't supposed to know about it!"
Did anyone else feel that way?
unicorn91432
12-28-2005, 09:18 PM
Score one for the psychics! :thumbsup:
Good debate, but to me the skeptics seemed unnecesarily rude, and appeared stubornly closed minded.
John Edward was not on the show but a caller said that he had been read by John. He said John picked him out of a large group of people and told him things that no one could possibly know.
Unicorn
Laura
12-28-2005, 09:38 PM
I agree, Unicorn. The skeptics did seem very closed-minded and suffered from extreme tunnel vision. I guess unfortunately that is a professional skeptic's job.
The Rabbi couldn't see that a consultation with a psychic is only PART of someone's spirituality and not the end all and be all.
The other skeptic was harsh and Sylvia Browne was harsh in return. Its too bad it had to get that bad! I wish she could have responded with something more concise rather than approaching his level.
I think Char responded extremely well with thoughtful answers.
OtherSideTemp
12-28-2005, 09:47 PM
I have to say I agree with what a few others have said. This was frustrating to watch, for several reasons. Even Anderson Cooper, at the beginning of his show, said he felt exhausted!
I felt that considering the position the psychics were in, they faired well with their argument. However, I also felt that there was a lot left unsaid, and I found myself wanting to leap through the screen a few times, and grabbing Char, Sylvia, and James by the lapels, and screaming "Hey! What about this!?"
I found fault with a bulk of the rabbi's argument. He stated that if the dead are "all knowing, omniscient" why won't they tell the psychics when the next suicide bomber will strike or where Osama Bin Laden is hiding.
If memory serves me correctly, many mediums have stressed that just because we cross over to the other side, doesn't mean we gain all the knowledge of the universe right off the bat. Rather, we continue to learn and grow as we did on Earth. Some things might become clear to us when we return to the spirit world, but we certainly don't become omniscient entities to the degree that God is. From what I've learned, God is the only being with knowledge of everything, including future events.
I also resent the tired "these people are preying on the weak, grieving, and vulnerable" argument that the rabbi raised. As if everybody who's ever been to a psychic or everybody who believes in mediumship is a naive, vulnerable, blubbering buffoon who is incapable of thinking for himself. Please.
And I'm also curious why the rabbi assumed that all mediums claim they are the "only way" to communicate with our loved ones on the other side. Huh? I don't know about anyone else, but I've never taken that away from a medium. No medium I know of has ever said "Hey, don't even think about talking to your grandfather on your own, because there's no chance he'll hear you or you'll hear him."
Our friend John Edward's main message, as all of us know, is about realizing mediums don't have to be the ones to bridge us with those we love. We possess the ability ourselves. James, who the rabbi specifically called out on this, wrote a whole darn book about tapping into our own abilities. Come on now.
The show was definitely interesting to watch. If only it could have been longer. What did everyone else think?
Amy Rose
12-28-2005, 10:26 PM
Just finished watching it. Boy was that a heated discussion!!!!!!!!!!! Frustrated is definitely a word to describe how I felt. I was yelling at the tv and at times wanted to throw something at it.lol Bravo to Sylvia, James and Char. I commend them for having the courage to be on Larry's show with the skeptics. That must have been a lot of energy for them. Sending them all white light :candle: I agree that the skeptics were extremely closed minded. At times I felt they were more cynical than skeptical.
My favorite part was in the very beginning when Larry made the example of "Herby" to Sylvia, and than Char pointed out that was her father's name, and said that was a sign to her. (How awesome!!)I liked how after she said that she talked about how her goal is to teach people to listen to their own coincidences. I also liked how Char said that it's not about the predictions but the choices.
I didn't like how the Oklahoma Professor kept pointing out about Sylvia and what she said on Montel. Especially the part saying how she is 25-30% right but when asking the classroom of 4rth graders their percentage was higher, as was adults.
I think the Rabbi just doesn't get it. I don't think he realizes that it's about the little validations, rather than having the answers to know where Osama is, natural disasters, or when the next bomb will go off in Iraq. I'm not saying that they shouldn't know those answers, but these are totally different subjects--world issues, and someone's personal grieving process.
I liked Char the best out of the 3 of them. I thought she said some great things. But as a whole, I definitely think James, Sylvia and Char did they best that they could under those circumstances. I enjoyed listening to their responses. I'm kind of glad John Edward wasn't on there, because like he always says, he doesn't need to defend what he is does.
I guess when you have the "knowing" that love never dies and about the process,it just makes perfect sense. Oh well, hopefully those skeptics will have learned something, even if they refuse to admit it. :rolleyes:
nuttynurse
12-29-2005, 07:35 AM
i just watched the show I was actually quiet disapointed by sylvias responses I felt that she responded in kind and it didnt really do her any favours. I did howver feel I learned quiet a lot about the Jewish faith although I am not sure that was the purpose !
Irish140
12-29-2005, 07:50 AM
Hmmm.
Gotta say this.I thought the psychics came out looking ,not totally, but significantly weak in their replies.
Where is Osama? When will there be other terrorist attacks that might be prevented? IS it irresponsible to cross some sensitive, invisible line and give specific health information that is clinically incorrect?
They never really gave answers that pacified even ME.And they're there to give.(The answers, that is, about why some things work and some things don't in the psychic field.)Anyone who has studied metaphysics knows that the Spirit World is not the same as our world.It's timeless, beyond human borders, ego-less.It doesn't operate on our human perceptive level.James touched on this angle, but they certainly could have taken it farther and related how the information they get is, between frequencies of HERE and THERE,only maybe disjointed information they pick up at that particular time and they only get what they can.Sometimes out of time, sometimes even seeming to be insignificant.
They just sat there and said nothing of consequence when asked tough questions about why they don't answer the important stuff.I know why they sometimes can't.But I still think these are legitimate questions.Because even I wonder why they don't do more good on a global level.If they can't, then why do they think this is denied to them and can they share that important info with us? And also, I'm sure that they do do some of this politically sensitive activity away from prying eyes.
I've got to admit I'm not much on Sylvia, James is just ok in my book but I'm still open to his talent because I haven't really studied him enough, and I've personally had a reading from Char, back when she lived here in Michigan about 30 years ago.(Did you guys hear her say something animated about that first caller being from Michigan? She's originally from here and got her start here in Detroit.That's why she made that comment.)
All in all, I thought it was an interesting discussion because the gloves came off a little and stuff was brought out in the open that usually is only talked about behind closed doors, or at least not in the same room with everyone there.The psychics do have to be commended for having the balls to step up to the plate.But they sure didn't even come close to batting one out of the park.
And JE came off great without even being in the room.Good for him.
The professor had a lot of legitimate insights and comments...he was not
weak, in my opinion.He expressed a lot of the same problems I have with Sylvia.
All in all, I'm glad I watched.And for once, Larry didn't coast on auto-pilot through his interview . Even HE was animated.Go Larry.
Irish140
unicorn91432
12-29-2005, 09:19 AM
My first reaction to the show was more of overall impression rather than content. To me the psychics came across as kinder, nicer people. The skeptics made long speeches, then complained when they were interrupted. The one guy appeared to be there just to attack Sylvia Brown.
The problem for the psychics is that 'the process' is a complicated one and cannot be explained in sound bites.
Skeptics argue that if psychics can really make contact with the other side the spirits should give them information to solve all the world's problems. If we are here to learn lessons, but the other side gives us the answers, then what's the point?
Unicorn
i just watched the show I was actually quiet disapointed by sylvias responses I felt that she responded in kind and it didnt really do her any favours. I did howver feel I learned quiet a lot about the Jewish faith although I am not sure that was the purpose !Please DO NOT think that the rabbi represented the Jewish faith well!!!
*SMACKING FOREHEAD*
I totally forgot about it.... my 4 year old came down with a 103.8 degree fever:eek: and I was lovin' on him and feeding him Motrin and popsicles all night. Sounds like I missed quite a show :hmm:
Anyone know if they are supposed to repeat it?
Some of my best friends are Jewish and he certainly didn't represent what I know about them. We have a number of wonderful Jewish members on here, one of who is among those best friends of mine, and I'm sure he doesn't represent their beliefs.
I was disappointed with the show. Larry King seemed to be enjoying it. :)
chassiewes
12-29-2005, 02:22 PM
I must say that the longer I watched, the angrier I got. The rudeness quotient was off the charts and I have a real problem with rudeness. Once King saw how testy matters would get, I would have liked for him to establish some ground rules re allowing each to speak or respond to a question without interruption. I also wished he could have warned against personal attacks but given the setup, that would undoubtedly been a waste of breath.
Because in truth, I think it was a no-win setup. Given the strident railings from the skeptics and their obvious intention to out-shout anything the psychics might have said, even if the skeptics had bothered to listen, there was no way this would be an intelligent difference of opinions. Some of their questions, to say nothing of their accusations, were downright insulting, not just to the psychics but to those who have crossed over and those of us on the receiving end of their messages as well. Probably the only outcome that might have given the skeptics pause would have been if one of the psychics had come up with the great-grandfather's name or anything of a personal nature about one of them and impossible for the psychics to have known otherwise. I kept waiting for that to happen and it didn't. (Which makes me question my motives for wanting it to happen.)
I doubt the program changed anyone's mind. Those of us who "know" still "know." But viewers who might have been willing to give the subject the benefit of the doubt or who might have begun to wonder were not well served. Neither were the participants. And that's a shame.
Chassie
Believer
12-29-2005, 03:39 PM
Darn! I fell asleep before it came on.
You guys gave such a good description I don't feel like I missed much though.
It sounds like we could have done a better job debating than Sylvia, James and Char. ;)
Thanks,
Jenny
chargeit2him
12-29-2005, 09:39 PM
After I posted this I completely forgot... :( I guess it's for the best because if I was as frustrated as a few of you were I probably would have had a worse nights sleep than I did. ( I was up at least 4 times during the night) maybe when it is a repeat I will get to see it.
Sandy
LADreamr
12-29-2005, 11:45 PM
Where is Osama? When will there be other terrorist attacks that might be prevented? IS it irresponsible to cross some sensitive, invisible line and give specific health information that is clinically incorrect?
I agree that if you're giving medical information, you should preface it by saying, "This is what I'm getting, but please see a doctor soon and have yourself checked."
Regarding the terrorist attacks, I always want to ask who it is the psychics should tell, if they get that kind of information? It seems like it would be difficult to get the information to the right people, and then expect that they would act on it. And since a lot of information comes in symbolically, you may not know what it was you were getting until it happens. And I also think that there are some situations we are not supposed to know about in advance, because the lesson for us is how we deal with the aftermath, and how do we work with each other so that people will not want to do these things anymore?
I don't mind when Larry does shows like this, except that I wish he would book "skeptics" who actually want to discuss these issues, rather than just throw rocks at the psychics. It would have been much more interesting and productive, I think.
Sarah
nuttynurse
12-30-2005, 05:17 AM
I wonder if it would have been more informative if there not so many people, ie one of each persuasion and that they were in the same room. I got fed up with the delays between studio and guest, add to that the satelite clicks between the US and the UK grrrrrr
Tanner2
12-30-2005, 11:57 AM
I wonder if it would have been more informative if there not so many people, ie one of each persuasion and that they were in the same room.
I agree! Too may people with their own opinions to voice. Especially the "skeptics" who were actually cynics. It was a frustrating show. I'm glad John wasn't involved with this.
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