The Deeper Wound from Deepak Chopra

[Pam]

The Deeper Wound from Deepak Chopra

As fate would have it, I was leaving New York on a jet flight that took off 45 minutes before the unthinkable happened. By the time we landed in Detroit, chaos had broken out. When I grasped the fact that American security had broken down so tragically, I couldn't respond at first. My wife and son were also in the air on separate flights, one to Los Angeles, one to San Diego. My body went absolutely rigid with fear. All I could think about was their safety, and it took several hours before I found out that their flights had been diverted and both were safe.

Strangely, when the good news came, my body still felt that it had been hit by a truck. Of its own accord it seemed to feel a far greater trauma that reached out to the thousands who would not survive and the tens of thousands who would survive only to live through months and years of hell. And I asked myself, Why didn't I feel this way last week? Why didn't my body go stiff during the bombing of Iraq or Bosnia? Around the world my horror and worry are experienced every day. Mothers weep over horrendous loss, civilians are bombed mercilessly, refugees are ripped from any sense of home or homeland. Why did I not feel their anguish enough to call a halt to it?

As we hear the calls for tightened American security and a fierce military response to terrorism, it is obvious that none of us has any answers. However, we feel compelled to ask some questions. Everything has a cause, so we have to ask, What was the root cause of this evil? We must find out not superficially but at the deepest level. There is no doubt that such evil is alive all around the world and is even celebrated.

Does this evil grow from the suffering and anguish felt by people we don't know and therefore ignore? Have they lived in this condition for a long time?

One assumes that whoever did this attack feels implacable hatred for America. Why were we selected to be the focus of suffering around the world? All this hatred and anguish seems to have religion at its basis. Isn't something terribly wrong when jihads and wars develop in the name of God? Isn't God invoked with hatred in Ireland, Sri Lanka, India, Pakistan, Israel, Palestine, and even among the intolerant sects of America?

Can any military response make the slightest difference in the underlying cause? Is there not a deep wound at the heart of humanity? If there is a deep wound, doesn't it affect everyone?

When generations of suffering respond with bombs, suicidal attacks, and biological warfare, who first developed these weapons? Who sells them? Who gave birth to the satanic technologies now being turned against us?

If all of us are wounded, will revenge work? Will punishment in any form toward anyone solve the wound or aggravate it? Will an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, and limb for a limb, leave us all blind, toothless and crippled?

Tribal warfare has been going on for two thousand years and has now gotten magnified globally. Can tribal warfare be brought to an end? Is patriotism and nationalism even relevant anymore, or is this another form of tribalism?

What are you and I as persons going to do about what is happening? Can we afford to let the deeper wound fester any longer? Everyone is calling this an attack on America, but is it not a rift in our collective soul? Isn't this an attack on civilization from without that is also from within?

When we have secured our safety once more and cared for the wounded, after the period of shock and mourning is over, it will be time for soul searching. I only hope that these questions are confronted with the deepest spiritual intent. None of us will feel safe again behind the shield of military might and stockpiled arsenals. There can be no safety until the root cause is faced. In this moment of shock I don't think anyone of us has the answers.

It is imperative that we pray and offer solace and help to each other. But if you and I are having a single thought of violence or hatred against anyone in the world at this moment, we are contributing to the wounding of the world.

Love, Deepak

[PsyQuestor]

Deepak Chopra
But if you and I are having a single thought of violence or hatred against anyone in the world at this moment, we are contributing to the wounding of the world.

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction...

Peaceful intent begets peaceful intent
Hatred breeds hatred!

Thank you Pam for sharing this :)

Tammy

[VTFlowerGirl]

While I'd like to say "give peace a chance" I just don't think it's possible. It's kill or be killed regarding terrorism, and this sounds much too like an anti-war mantra to me. I guess I'll pass on the Deepak Chopra posts from now on. This is almost the complete opposite to the final chapter of the Newsweek article mentioned previously, and the title of that was "Blame America at your Own Peril."

This article started out fine but lost me after the first few paragraphs. Then the closing line definitely turned me away:

"But if you and I are having a single thought of violence or hatred against anyone in the world at this moment, we are contributing to the wounding of the world."

I don't see this as helpful to those families who have people in the military either. I pity the enemy more than hate them, and I'll stop commenting now because I don't have anything else nice to say about this.

I'll stick with what Gary Zukav wrote:

Feeling hate does not mean acting on it. It means taking the first step in allowing yourself to become conscious of everything that you are feeling so that you can expand your consciousness to the pain and fear that lies beneath the impulses to hate and to seek revenge.

Do you have the courage to do that? Are you strong enough to feel hatred and not act on it?

Do you? I do.

[PsyQuestor]

I see your point, but alas Gary Zukav and Deepak Chopra do not vary too far from one another. In his recent book Gary states very clearly that he believes in a sort of Universal Karma. You get back from the universe what you put into it.

Hate breeds hate
Intolerance ...

The name of the book is The Seat of the Soul by Gary Zukav.
for more about Gary go to http://www.zukav.com

[Irishrose]

I am wondering if the greater question isn't something that we as Americans have always found necessary. That is freedom - in many forms. My point is that the reason we are here on this land is because we did not like what was going on in another lands. We took matters into our own hands and decided that it was necessary to break away - find a 'different/better' way. We have managed to do that for a couple of hundred years now and I do not see that we will quit any time soon. We are a strong nation overall. We are a combination of people from all over the world that sees what is happening in this nation and are drawn to it for their own reasons/needs. We don't like being stepped on, pushed around or anything else that creates a feeling of threat to our freedoms. We have enjoyed being looked at by other nations as leaders in more ways than one. When it comes time for us to step up to the podium we do not disappoint anyone - we always do. It is important to make sure that NO ONE person, group or country gets away with anything that will jeopardize our freedom or the freedom of our alies. So doing whatever is necessary to make sure that we do not lose any freedom we have worked so hard to keep is o.k. It is beyond o.k. It is what we are about - it will always be what we are about and I do not see that changing ever.

I listened to President Bush tonight and I felt extremely proud to have him as our President. He has no plans to change his mind about stopping this terrible (he says evil) person. He will do whatever it takes. I agree with him completely - but then I am an American and I can agree or disagree - that is my Freedom. It is also yours. We need to hear all angles - but we do not have to agree with all angles. God Bless America and every single soul that has made and will make the ultimate sacrifice in the name of freedom.

Blessings to all
Irishrose

[sgrenard]

I would ask Chopra about "justice." He rightfully cautions and admonishes violence and hatred but he, and many others seem to ignore the issue of justice .... paying for one's misdeeds. If one person murders another on the streets of any city in the civilized world they are hunted, captured and tried. President Bush has given repeated opportunities to the government of Afghanistan to allow precisely that but they have refused. Even tonight, he said it is not too late -- they can give up the perpetrators now.

Can anyone please tell me where justice figures in this? Are we automatically classified as revenge seeking haters who embrace violence against innocents because of our actions or are we simply trying to obtain justice ... for ourselves and the victims in the very country that harbors these criminals. Has anyone here taken the time and trouble to watch the documentaries, filmed at great risk, made of how, for example women and children are treated in Afghanistan by the Taliban government there and can come away honestly saying its okay, we should forgive them, we should love them and let them go in peace? Has anyone stopped to consider that this outlaw government is the world's largest provider of heroin? A drug that has ruined millions of lives, and has cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of people? That they have been repeatedly asked by the United Nations to eradicate their poppy fields and halt the drug smuggling? But have refused.
Are those who want to forgive the Taliban aware of the fact that not only are they trafficking in heroin, they are growing it in an area which is irrigated by U.S. taxpyor dollars and was intended to grow food crops for their people who are now starving? In a parallel, are people who want to forgive them aware of the fact that US taxpayors gave Kabul a soccer stadium which the Taliban uses to publicly execute (shooting in the head) women guilty of nothing more than being outside their homes without a male relative nearby? When such women are espied by the religious police they are herded into a pickup truck and driven directly to the penalty line in the soccer stadium where they pay the supreme price. When Mullah Omar was asked why he uses the stadium for this when the people of America gave it to the people of Afghanistan to play soccer he answered on camera: well then, they should give us a place to execute violators. He said soccer was a joyous occasion but so is witnessing the execution of women who transgress their fundamentalist religious laws and other criminals. What a guy!


Sorry, I appreciate what Chopra and others are trying to say but personally I can't abide by it....

[RSLancastr]

Sorry, I appreciate what Chopra and others are trying to say but personally I can't abide by it....I agree, Steve.

Perhaps those who say this are relying on god, or karma, or whatever to enact justice. But I can't and don't agree with that.

[Pam]

This of course, is a sensitive issue and there will be as many viewpoints on war and peace, as there are souls that live in the United States.

I took Deepak's words to mean something different. As a writer of sorts myself, I always take into consideration my "audience" when I set down words. Deepak writes to a particular audience, people who are spiritual seekers. He wasn't addressing the troops or Congress. Conversley, when I look for words of spiritual wisdom, I don't seek out Colin Powell. I think this makes a big difference in the way I accept Deepak's words.

Another thing that I know, is that these words were written within just a few hours of the attack.

I don't take his words to mean that we should not defend ourselves, in fact, I just found the following on his Q & A portion of his site:
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Question:

I understand there are spiritual forces at work and that what happened Sept. 11 is a much deeper event than just what we see, nevertheless, don't we still need to use physical force and retaliation so protect our freedom while in this physical world? America wasn't perfect before Pearl Harbor and people were just as human with the same weaknesses then. If we only prayed and meditated then, and our country didn't fight would we be here now?

Answer:

Given the present level of awareness in world consciousness, a physical response to terrorism is necessary, if only to protect the country from further acts of violence. Just as a physical illness usually requires physical treatment. However, our collective consciousness determines how we conduct the physical response to terrorism. If we are focused on addressing it with justice, responsibility, love and clarity, then we can take care of the problem without killing other innocent people, and avoid extending the conflict further. If we react only with anger, revenge and recklessness, then we will certainly fan the flames of violence even more, and sow the seeds for death and destruction indefinitely.

Ideally, we want to achieve a critical mass in world consciousness that will elevate it to where we have removed the seeds of enmity among different nations and religions and there will be no need for military retaliation because there will be no terrorist attack to begin with. This might seem an impossible task at a time like this, but it is not. The ability to choose inclusion instead of exclusion is there within each of us that we exercise quite freely. The strong upsurge of patriotism in the US following the attacks indicates the ease with which we can choose to put aside unimportant differences we might feel amongst ourselves in order to strengthen our solidarity as Americans. We can also just as easily choose to take that expansion of national interest a step further from patriotism for America into a patriotism for humanity as a whole. When we can look at the people of all nations as our family, and to not judge them as better or worse than we are, then we can take the necessary action that will protect the lives of other innocent people. If we allow our commitment to American interests to blind us to the interests of the world community, then we will have done an injustice to ourselves and to the principles of America itself.

If an illness such as cancer has reached the stage where it must be operated upon, then you want to be able to perform the surgery so that you effectively remove all affected tissue with a minimum of damage the surrounding healthy organs and tissues. The surgeon has to think of the welfare of the whole person. If she is angry, careless and is only thinking of the part of the body where the cancer is, then mistakes will be made that will exacerbate the disease instead of healing it. If the US responds to this terrorism in anger and vengeance, with only their interests in mind, then we will find we won’t really have stopped terrorism, we will only have given it a new face.

Love,

Deepak


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I think this is exactly what our President, and our country is doing. We are warring with the leaders of the murderers, and we are feeding the innocent people. I have to agree with Deepak, and maybe he's preaching to the choir, or we're already doing what he's talking about.

I think he's saying we can't just treat the symptom of the disease, we have to pro-actively get to the root cause, which I agree with.

Rabbi David A. Cooper, a Kabbalahistic mystic and teacher tells us that evil cannot be erradicated, but it can be transformed and elevated. If we're not evil, we don't destory - we build up, we transform. Simply destroying the Evil ones is not enough, because there are always new recruits to come and take thier place. We'd have to commit genocide to destroy all "potential" terrorists. We have to instead get to the root cause of why these people think the way they do, why they believe the things they believe, and begin enlightening them, even if it takes generations to do so. Otherwise our children and their children will be assured of a warring future. We have to at least try to plant seeds for a peaceful future.

And we can't even do that, unless we surgically remove the current terrorists. Talk about the need for harmony and balance, walking on a fine line!

[PsyQuestor]

Steve,

I would agree with you that justice is important to healing and peace. If the misdeeds of others were to go unpunished then there would be more to come...

I was simply clarifying that Zukav is on the same side as Deepak in the respect of non-judgementalism and violence. Gary states very clearly that he believes in a form of Karma.

I think that we should prosecute and punish the terrorists and on a smaller scale a hometown murderer. That is not the same as saying that if someone is mean to me then I will be mean in return. ( Hate begets hate ).

I respectfully submit that my post is being taken way too literally, and that I was only clarifying what Zukav is all about. My personal opinion is that I will try to be kind to my fellows, and smile at those around me. I believe that the way people treat you varies conversely with the way you treat them.

And yes, I know all about the Taliban. Many don't know that they took control of that country; NO ONE voted them in ~ and many would toss them out if only they had the 'power.' They control through fear and intimidation, and when that doesn't work, they kill you.


Tammy
All for justice in America & the world.

[sgrenard]

Well I am still smarting from the position of the IONs leadership, an organization of which I WAS a member and tended my resignation along with hundreds of others when, in the aftermath of September 11th they, to a person, with Edgar Mitchell leading, told its members to turn the other cheek and forgive them.

Sorry, can't do it........

This is more than seeking justice for 7000 murders in the U.S. and thousands more around the world. It is also seeking justice for the people of Afghanistan who have been victimized as much or more than those who have lost their lives at the hands of the AlAqueda, BinLaden and the Taliban which harbors them .......

[Don]

Originally posted by Pam
But if you and I are having a single thought of violence or hatred against anyone in the world at this moment, we are contributing to the wounding of the world.I suppose by Deepak's thinking that there's an awful lot of people contributing to the wounding of the world right now, not the least of which are a few thousand broken families.

I guess I'm of the old school that freedom is worth fighting for... even if that freedom is someone else's. Will evil ever be totally rooted out? No, of course not. But I don't believe for a minute that one has to treat it as something less than it is. Evil came looking to wage itself on peace... from the reaction of the world, I'd say it has more than met its match. United, the world stands against it.

[sgrenard]

For those who may not have seen it, Mavis Leno (Jay's wife) who has been battling the Taliban's treatment of women for 4 years will be on Geraldo (Rivera Live) with some film evidence of this.
The program has just started with the anthrax story, however.

Steve

[Pam]

Why do I feel on my own, and Chopra's behalf, totally misunderstood? ;)

Others were posting while I posted the second response, is it possible some of you didn't see the second post, calling for a military response? Nowhere is he saying to just forget about it. He's calling for a thoughtful response, instead of a knee-jerk slap-back. IMO, he was also speaking to citizens not turning against each other because one is Moslem, or wears a turban.


Question:I understand there are spiritual forces at work and that what happened Sept. 11 is a much deeper event than just what we see, nevertheless, don't we still need to use physical force and retaliation so protect our freedom while in this physical world? America wasn't perfect before Pearl Harbor and people were just as human with the same weaknesses then. If we only prayed and meditated then, and our country didn't fight would we be here now?

Answer:

Given the present level of awareness in world consciousness, a physical response to terrorism is necessary, if only to protect the country from further acts of violence. Just as a physical illness usually requires physical treatment. However, our collective consciousness determines how we conduct the physical response to terrorism. If we are focused on addressing it with justice, responsibility, love and clarity, then we can take care of the problem without killing other innocent people, and avoid extending the conflict further. If we react only with anger, revenge and recklessness, then we will certainly fan the flames of violence even more, and sow the seeds for death and destruction indefinitely.


Forgiving is not "letting off the hook." Forgiving, at it's most base meaning, is an internal letting go of another person's power over your emotions. Forgiving doesn't mean we turn our back and go about our business, letting the offender go, without consequence.

Hate is a choice that we make. We *do* have other choices. Hate is evil, no matter what color your skin, or what your nationality, and no matter what attrocities have been inflicted upon you.

Hate is the first emotion you'll feel when you're the victim, but you won't feel it forever. That's human nature, and the nature of emotions. Hate changes over time, to hating the crime, but not necessarily hating the criminal. Feelings for the criminal will at some point turn to ambiviliance.

If hate is evil, when evil fights evil, evil always wins. I think we're capable of doing better than that, and rising above the base emotion of hate. Judges have to do it every day, while they're cleaning up our society, and we can do it too. Even if we still hate, we can act in ways that we don't allow it to motivate our actions.

Bush is not responding out of hate. He may still have hate, but if his actions were motivated by hate, we'd have NUKED the whole country by now. That's not what is happening. Deepak was calling for a thoughtful response, that includes going BEYOND the military answer.

I wish the other posts that I made, from Ron Roth, Marianne Williamson, Sonia Choiquette, Joan Borysenko and Carolyn Myss -- all comtemporary authors on the subject of spirituality, all espousing the same values as John Edward - had received the same impassioned response as this thread! :) It would have been wonderful to see the same level of emotion for the points they made about personal power, the power of prayer and what we as citizens can do about the situation of the world.

[VTFlowerGirl]

Originally posted by Pam

I wish the other posts that I made, from Ron Roth, Marianne Williamson, Sonia Choiquette, Joan Borysenko and Carolyn Myss -- all comtemporary authors on the subject of spirituality, all espousing the same values as John Edward - had received the same impassioned response as this thread! :) It would have been wonderful to see the same level of emotion for the points they made about personal power, the power of prayer and what we as citizens can do about the situation of the world.

But they were all basically the same Pam, and this post struck me as different. This is a great thread though, and I've learned a lot from it, but I still stick with my original thoughts.

I do agree that people rise above hate every day - especially those people who deal with child molesters, abusers, murderers - more than honorable judges who just see what's presented in court which is usually a quite watered down version of events leading up to what has brought the criminal there. I was thinking of the cop on the beat or the detective or social worker or counselor who knows the details of the crimes and has seen personally how it has affected the victims. They must get over the distaste for the circumstance that has brought them in contact for this person and go about their job. I don't think anyone who's viewed "ground zero" would say forgive and move on, justice is in God's hands. As I mentioned before in another post, I still have friends going to and coming from there, sifting through buckets of debris, looking for whatever evidence is left of the 5200 still missing. And I daresay this is going to go on for at least a couple more months.

I ditto everything Steve has written (thanks sgrenard!), especially this:

This is more than seeking justice for 7000 murders in the U.S. and thousands more around the world. It is also seeking justice for the people of Afghanistan who have been victimized as much or more than those who have lost their lives at the hands of the AlAqueda, BinLaden and the Taliban which harbors them.

The citizens of the WORLD are not safe until terrorists are shut down.

[VTFlowerGirl]

Originally posted by PsyQuestor
I think that we should prosecute and punish the terrorists and on a smaller scale a hometown murderer.

Tammy,

We *did* do that after the WTC bombing in 1993. Didn't seem to work too well and they didn't get the message.

[Don]

Originally posted by Pam
is it possible some of you didn't see the second post, calling for a military response?Yep, haven't gotten there yet (or the others). In fact, someone inadvertently dug up a cable, knocking out internet access in the middle of my initial response, so it got a rather delayed send-off.

[Pam]

Originally posted by VTFlowerGirl


Tammy,

We *did* do that after the WTC bombing in 1993. Didn't seem to work too well and they didn't get the message.

But we didn't prosecute and bring to trial the masterminds - we had the henchmen, the lackeys and the minions. We need to get to, and stop, the root cause of the crime, icluding the masterminds and leaders, and make examples of them for the rest of the world to see. This idea of "justice" is what separates us from the barbaric cultures that foster the lack of regard for human life that we're fighting now.

[Pam]

Originally posted by VTFlowerGirl


But they were all basically the same Pam, and this post struck me as different. This is a great thread though, and I've learned a lot from it, but I still stick with my original thoughts.

This IS a great thread. but I disagree that what Chopra was saying, was that much different than what Myss, or Borysenko or the others were saying. They were all reminding us to look into our own souls, to start the personal defense there. To find our *true* power there. Chopra was the only one brave enough to also bring up military action, and I read his words to mean "just military action ain't gonna cut it" and not "military action is not appropriate" as he clarified in his second post. He said what all the leaders of our allies have said, that this is not just an attack on America, but an attack on humanity itself. The first basic spiritual truth as I understand it, is "All are one" and that no man is an island.

He said, "When we have secured our safety once more and cared for the wounded, after the period of shock and mourning is over, it will be time for soul searching." and this is also what the other posts I made, asked for: soul searching, and prayer.

In times of great trouble or great need, when we're collectively wounded in some way, we turn to trusted leaders, for deeper insight, and maybe "the big picture." I felt that those I quoted in this forum are leaders of sorts, in their own right, by virtue of their readership, and they also have my respect as teachers and healers.

I offered these quotes in an attempt to bring into focus the spiritual aspect of how individuals can deal with these issues at a personal level, not as commentary on military action, which quite frankly is out of our hands anyway, as individuals, at least at the moment. (I think our leaders are doing a fine job.)

This is going to be a brash question, but I wonder if we as a society believe more in the power of a strong military, than we do in the power of prayer, and that's reflected in this membership, by the other posts calling for prayer being passed over? It would be understandable, if that's actually the case.

[stevegrenard]

PAM writes/asks:
This is going to be a brash question, but I wonder if we as a society believe more in the power of a strong military, than we do in the power of prayer, and that's reflected in this membership, by the other posts calling for prayer being passed over? It would be understandable, if that's actually the case.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that we shouldn't pray for whatever it is we believe we need to overcome. However there is plenty of precedent in that book (Bible) for having a strong on-the-ground army for vanquishing evil as well. We need to believe in both divine intervention and the not so divine intervention. In fact who is to say that our strong army is not an answered prayer? I used to ruminate over people who told me that they prayed to be healed of their cancer or whatever and when they were cured, they told me it was their prayers that did it. I definitely think their prayers helped but I was always quick to point out that their prayers helped their doctors as well ... to be there for them and help get them better. Whether we "believe" (I prefer "accept") in one more than the other needs a Gallup poll to answer. I have learned in recent weeks that there are three kinds of people out there - those who put all their hopes in divine intervention, those who do not put any in that, and some who embrace a combination of both.

[TeresaR]

if I can express what I think, or believe in this post. I can honestly say I do not hate those who have perpetrated these horrible acts upon the U.S. I can honestly say I do not hate those who are here in the U.S., those who hate us. In fact, one beer company (I forget who) has decided to never sell beer again to a specific small corner store, because the delivery man found them celebrating over the horrific acts.

What I do feel is a sense that if we let this pass by, without action, we shall fall as a nation. Why? Because we were not brave enough to stand up for what we believe. So that brings about, What DO we believe in? We believe in Freedom. Freedom of religion, race, sex, and beliefs.

Freedom. It was a new concept when America was created. In fact, it was not even true Freedom which was practiced when America WAS founded. Freedom of religion did not come about till almost 75 years after our nation's founding. Freedom of women even later. Freedom for all races had to be fought for at a terrible price within our own nation.

Freedom. It was a more a dream,,,, a hope for our future. We still aren't fully there. We still aren't fully free. But in comparison with our neighboring countries, in comparison with our enemies, we ARE free. We have the freedom to vote. Women have the freedom to walk in the streets, the freedom to work as they see fit. The Freedom of race is there, in our laws, even if not always obeyed. There is so much freedom, we have the Church of Satan out there, something which goes against my very grain. But the law of Freedom means if I am allowed MY freedoms, they must be allowed theirs.

Most countries and cultures can't handle that. Their very NATURE is offended by that. But instead of saying "live and let live", they attack. They strike out, in an effort to force their beliefs on others.

By sitting back, and letting them do this does two things: It proves to them they are righteous, that by forcing their beliefs on the largest and most powerful country in the world, that they are the "True believers". Are we to allow that? What ARE our beliefs?

The second thing: it opens our countries to attack from others. Our very beliefs will be torn down, basically, our country will fall. Why? Because while we believe in Freedom, we are not willing to stand up for it.

So while I am angry at those who perpetrated these crimes, I do not hate them. I pity them. I pity people who are so closed minded as to not be able to see the "Flip side" of their behavior.

I am so very proud of this nation, who even when we disagree on how these actions against these perpetrators should be taken, have stuck together.

Very few people have attacked others during this period. Yes, there are some who attack anyone who is Muslim. That is wrong, and those who attack should be punished, just like those who attack us should be punished.

I am surprisngly confident in our reactions we have taken. I am proud of our government, who did not over-react. They are taking their time, and will route out those responsible. I am surprisingly proud of our president, who may not (IMHO) be the best orator ever presented, but has stepped up to the plate, and is leading our country.

Prayer for the souls of those who perpetrated these acts, is very good and very important, for hatred will NOT protect our freedoms.

The only thing which will protect our freedoms is prayer and action. We cannot sit idly by and watch our nation be torn apart. We MUST act.

[Stupnaggles]

What remains to be said after that?Your insight and words are astounding!You have given everyone out hear something to think about I personally thank you very much.Bless us All!