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In fact, it's not about John Edward at all. He doesn't want us to be talking about him, he wants us to talk about the process.
Skeptic or not, it were talking about John, we're missing the whole point of the message, and that's that the spirit survives, and communicate beyond the death of the physical body. Why talk about John, when there are other mediums that do what he does - no matter what they look like.
Cantata
02-19-2002, 02:05 PM
Pam,
No offense, but isn't that what this whole board is about? "johnedwardtalk.org"? All across this board, I see people discussing John Edward in person. His personal appearances, how well he looks, how funny he is, etc.
But OK, you may have a point, even though it would seem that you disagee with ariechert. The process should be more important that the messenger. (Tell that to Dan Rather!)
I have read somewhat further, and come across the subject of cold-reading. I'll throw it out on the board, since most probably have more experience with John Edward than I do: Is John Edward cold reading? If no, why not? What are the differences between what he does and what a cold-reader does?
Keep reading... you should find the answers you seek with regards to cold reading.
Also, with regards to posts on John's personal appearance, (which is not the same as the entertainment factor in how he presents his message), I think you'll find them pretty short-lived anywhere on the board.
Originally posted by Cantata
Pam,
No offense, but isn't that what this whole board is about? "johnedwardtalk.org"? All across this board, I see people discussing John Edward in person. His personal appearances, how well he looks, how funny he is, etc.
But OK, you may have a point, even though it would seem that you disagee with ariechert. The process should be more important that the messenger. (Tell that to Dan Rather!)
I have read somewhat further, and come across the subject of cold-reading. I'll throw it out on the board, since most probably have more experience with John Edward than I do: Is John Edward cold reading? If no, why not? What are the differences between what he does and what a cold-reader does?
No. If you recall the agreement you made when you joined the board, it stated the following:
The purpose of the board is to further the spiritual message of peace, hope and comfort offered by evidence of life after death and after death communication.
John Edward is what brought us all together, true, but he's not what we're here to discuss.
Further, that same agreement you made, stated the following:
IV. SKEPTICAL DISCUSSION FOLDER: If you're looking for respectful skeptical discussion, ask for access to the "Answering Skeptics and Debunking Cynics" folder by sending your username to asdc@johnedwardtalk.org We may operate the group for a purpose different than you're own, please be sure you read the guidelines first, so there's no surprises.
* Skeptics and believers alike are welcome to post here, as long as the discussion is respectful. Blatant cynicism will not be allowed.
* It's our firm belief that discussing opposing views is educational, good for growth, and will close the gap of misunderstanding between the two viewpoints, though not necessarily converting either side.
* You may be critical of ideas or concepts, but not people.
* Slander and libel will not be tolerated on this board.
* Please remember that some of our visitors are here because they are in a state of grief, and keep your tone respectful of their beliefs about life, death, and the after life.
Opinions can be strong on both sides - everyone is entitled to their belief or non-belief. You CAN disagree respectfully and this applies to regular non-skeptical members as well as skeptics. ~~ "
You may see statements about John Edward himself, but those statements are few and far between compared to the other conversations about after death communication, life after death, the nature of the spirit and spirituality, talking about our loved ones who have crossed, asking for and answering prayer requests.
Galestorm
02-23-2002, 08:33 PM
John Edwards TV show is why I am here, and that he is the first of his kind to turn my head, and to show interest in what is true or not. I am skeptical, yes, just like all the tv ads of the so-called Cleos, and the beginning of the tele-marketers, the tv could be the start of (fake) real tv. Someone of true talent, just like John, joins a bunch of hollywood people, you know the kind. You are not going to get the real thing. John might have a bad day, or the spirits don't won't to comply to the taping, so they edit and they make believe so that they have a show. And yes, I am sure that John is real, and he does have the talent, but you just can't turn it off and on like that, unless the spirits have a million dollar contract. The bottom line for me is, that it is not possible to have a show of this nature, without fibbing abit, just to get a good show.
Originally posted by Galestorm
The bottom line for me is, that it is not possible to have a show of this nature, without fibbing abit, just to get a good show.
Can you explain why you feel that way? Have you seen John work live in a seminar, and would you feel the same way about a seminar that's not taped for TV?
Galestorm
02-23-2002, 10:43 PM
Like I said, I don't doubt Johns' talent I am sure he has seminars that convience anyone that he is for real. When you mix his kind of talent with Hollywood you get fiction, if you know what I mean.
I have four words for you Galestorm (and I mean this in a nice way:) ) :
go to a seminar.
'nuff said.
Galestorm
02-23-2002, 11:21 PM
I would love to go to a seminar, Kmir! That would be for real and not Hollywood, I just can't tell me that hollywood (meaning the usual screwing and deceit) does not have anything to do with the show Crossing Over.
Galestorm, this is a skeptical discussion folder. If you review the guidelines, you'll see it's not a place for you to simply make cynical statements in the tone of "screwing" and "deceit."
We've been to seminars, we've had private readings, we've been in the Gallery live, so we have more information about the subject than you have provided so far.
You, on the other hand, have a strong opinion, that seems to be based on some prejudices about "Hollywood" and how that might figure into a television show taped in New York. Prejudices are not fact.
There are many other forums on the internet where you may express factless opinions about your doubts about the subject of mediumship, and John Edward. This isn't one of them. If you have questions, ask them. If you have facts to back up your doubts, provide them.
sgrenard
02-24-2002, 11:25 AM
Gale:
Hollywood doesn't necessarily equate with fiction. There is both fiction and fact in Hollywood's output.
Insofar as JE personally is concerned, not only does his live seminars and private readings validate his abilities, but he and 4 other mediums were tested in a university setting with rigid controls. In fact they were hooked up to EEG and ECG (polygraph) monitors as well.
We have posted these studies on our website under the category Mediumship. Please feel free to visit there and read these studies: http://www.survivalscience.org
There are also many other studies, both controlled and observational, published by serious scholars on this subject
and involving many others who do what John does. It may be helpful to you to review these as well.
Galestorm
02-24-2002, 08:53 PM
Thanks sgrenard for your polite and helpful response. I went to the bookstore and looked over Johns' books, I am thinking about buying them. But wanted to check out sites like this, and do a little more homework on what others are saying.
I think you will find the books very informative and helpful in forming your opinion Gale. If you don't want to invest that much money at this point you could always borrow them from your library. I often do that if I am not sure I want to own a certain book. I found that I wanted to own them because I learned so much from them, then I went on to buy some of his tapes. This site also has a good book list for recommendations on this subject.
Most of us came to this discussion as skeptics and through a combination of study, attendance at seminars and/or the gallery/private readings and avidly watching Crossing Over, we have come to believe that the message is real.
As for me personally, I couldn't believe any of this was true. I assumed it was edited for entertainment purposes. I attended my first seminar last spring so I could see for myself what was going on. Lo and behold, in a crowd of 1500 people, I was read! It was an amazing and life changing experience and set me off on the path I am now traveling.
NEOPHYTE
03-07-2002, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by Galestorm
Like I said, I don't doubt Johns' talent I am sure he has seminars that convience anyone that he is for real. When you mix his kind of talent with Hollywood you get fiction, if you know what I mean.
Galestorm, there is nothing fictional about "Crossing Over". John Edward has a lot of input as to how his show is produced, and he does not allow the integrity of his work to be undermined by allowing the "Hollywood" factor, to determine the show's content.
He proved that already when he refused to go along with so-called "theme" related shows, such as having the Gallery made up solely of the families of the victims of Flight 800, or some other tragic event. There was probably a lot of pressure brought to bear on him to go along with such a format, but he was wise enough to see that it would be perceived as circus-like and distasteful. I think he made the right decision, and I applaud him for it........neo
Galestorm
03-07-2002, 10:35 PM
:cool: I guess it is hard for me to understand how to even produce such a delicate thing like the people that has passed over. I mean, you hear about a television show, and how they have to do take after take, of the same scene, to get it right. I am sure the other side don't have the same work schedule as John. I believe in what John does, but it is hard for me to understand the taping, and editing of such a untrustworthy in production side, (meaning , the other side) I watch Edwards show, almost every nite. Growing up, I have gone through at least one death per year, and don't have but a few close family members left. So, it burns me up if the hollywood producers, and everyone else in tv land who take advantage of the John Edwards, and the grieving people to make a buck. Mr. Edwards show is getting bigger ratings, thats good, more money, the market is big, you are going to get the hollywood people smiling, and planning.
Galestorm
03-07-2002, 10:57 PM
I looked at the library, and they don't have his books here yet, Yes, I live in a somewhat small town. That is so exciting that you got read! You are one lucky person! You are traveling on the right path, that most people are lost on. I am searching more and more on this subject, and it is like a differnent language to me. I am simple (but not stupid) in my words, alot to learn, don't know if I have the strength to keep studing. I guess I will , if it is important to me, huh. Take care Kimk.
sgrenard
03-07-2002, 10:58 PM
I am sorry for your losses. I have been there as well, having more people on the other side than here, including my father above me and my son below me which makes me feel pretty rotten a lot of the time. What John and other *genuine* psychic mediums do is to help people recognize that death is not an end but a beginning, that our loved ones are with us, he proves it, and I have seen very few people such as yourself feel that the kind of healing and love he gives to people is taking advantage of them. Most of the maysayers are closed minded skeptics or pseudoskeptics who are really cynics. JE doesnt have one seriously aggrieved unhappy sitter on the record at all. Makes you wonder eh? There are plenty of mediums who work for free, some who eke out a meager income charging low fees and others who decided they wanted to be super-stars and reach as many people as possible and get paid for doing it. Its not unlike any field, whether its an actor in the community theatre vrs a bigname Hollywood legend, a guy playing piano in a local bistro versus a pop star, or the baseball player happy to coach little league and stay at home with a family instead of opting for a career in the big leagues. Mediumship is no different from anything else on that score. Insofar as people making a buck off your losses, think of all those who line up to assauge your grief when the time comes. I am sure you have plenty of experience with cemetaries, undertakers, limo services, clergymen, florists, mounment makers. etc. Its a major industry. People spend $5000 and a lot more to bury their loved ones but crab about paying anywhere from nothing to a few hundred dollars to actually find out they are not really dead. There is something wrong with this picture Gale and I think you know what I mean.
John's program is indeed edited for time and for the value of the segments of the readings that best portray his work. You can see him in person at a live seminar to judge his unedited work. Many thousands have. Or someday you might be able to score tickets to a live taping (they're free and a seminar usually costs around $45.00) and compare for yourself.
And yes, it is not just about JE but also the process which means you don't have to be convinced by John's work alone. While I agree there are plenty of frauds, there are also plenty of genuine psychic mediums whom you could consult and judge for yourself.
PS: This show is taped live. Four or five hours worth to produce a single half hour segment. They DO NOT do take after take on talk shows or on Crossing Over. They just keep going and the show is put together by editors afterwards as indicated above: edited for time, not content and presumably to best portray his work. Example: John may stand and stare for 5 minutes but such lapses are eliminated by the editor.
Galestorm
03-07-2002, 11:28 PM
thank you for your response. I am sorry for your losses as well. I don't have anything against John edwards, and his gift. When I say Hollywood, I don't mean geographic. but, as in television. Doesn't matter where it is filmed, the industry is what doesn't mix with John and his talent. If I was John and got a deal with television, I would take it too. But it is early, and now he isn't the only one running the show. I am sure that doesn't sit too well with the other side.
John was supposed to come to Kansas, but 9-11 cancelled that, and I don't see a reschedule. We will see.
sgrenard
03-07-2002, 11:35 PM
I believe he will be in Witchita on March 21st at the Cotillion and last I heard there were still tickets. Check it out.
Galestorm
03-07-2002, 11:42 PM
Are you kidding? Really, where do I find this, and tickets.
Galestorm
03-08-2002, 12:14 AM
Sold out, what would you expect after a cancelation like 9-11. For a few minutes I thougth I was going to have a good day.
Galestorm, perhaps most of the TV industry deserves your negative opinion, I'll give you that, but isn't it possible for someone to come along and raise the bar?
Isn't it possible for someone like John, who is now executive producer of the show and in control of the process and content, to produce a show with integrity?
If John has a healing message, why not use a tool that delivers that hope and comfort to millions? Or should we all, including John, just throw up our hands and say "TV is crap, it will always be crap, we'll never be able to change that, so let's forget about putting this miracle on the airwaves" ?
NEOPHYTE
03-08-2002, 08:49 AM
Originally posted by Galestorm
:cool:
Mr. Edwards show is getting bigger ratings, thats good, more money, the market is big, you are going to get the hollywood people smiling, and planning.
Hi, Galestorm, I loved the Matrix also! Great movie! Just wanted to say that I'm very sorry that you have lost so many family members. As far as your concern about "the Hollywood people", I think perhaps that you are worrying too much about something you need not worry about at all.
You say that you watch the show on a regular basis, and so you should be extremely pleased with the manner in which it is presented. Unless and until you see evidence of poor taste or blatant disregard for the way the people being read are treated, I think you should just relax, stop worrying about who might be making money off the show, and concentrate on the very positive and beautiful message that JE relays to us on "Crossing Over".
Did you say that the Wichita seminar is sold out? I wonder why it doesn't say that on the telecharge website? They usually put a "sold out" banner next to the event. In any case, Galestorm, check this URL from time to time to see if they add any seminars close enough to where you live for you to attend.
https://www.telecharge.com/eventlist.pl?EVENT_LOCATION=SEARCH&NAME_FILTER=John
Good luck to you!........neo
P.S. Are you too young to understand a "My Little Margie" reference? :)
Galestorm
03-12-2002, 10:41 PM
Originally posted by Pam
If John has a healing message, why not use a tool that delivers that hope and comfort to millions? Or should we all, including John, just throw up our hands and say "TV is crap, it will always be crap, we'll never be able to change that, so let's forget about putting this miracle on the airwaves" ?
John has raised eyebrows and has interested me in finding out more about what he does. I don't mean to undermine anyone trying to get the message across, just trying to come to understanding in my own mind on how on tv. Its like it is too good to be true theory of thoughts. You know how tv works, you have to have substance, and if John has cranky spirits all day and they won't deliver, then they have to edit, splice, make a good show, the advertisers are boss. Well, if the spirits want too, they will make it a hit show, and after 10 years, I will still be here. (Or a guest on the show, hope not).:) Thanks Pam for the relpy, and understanding!
Galestorm
03-12-2002, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by NEOPHYTE
Hi, Galestorm, I loved the Matrix also! Great movie! Just wanted to say that I'm very sorry that you have lost so many family members. As far as your concern about "the Hollywood people", I think perhaps that you are worrying too much about something you need not worry about at all.
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Thank you.
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You say that you watch the show on a regular basis, and so you should be extremely pleased with the manner in which it is presented. Unless and until you see evidence of poor taste or blatant disregard for the way the people being read are treated, I think you should just relax, stop worrying about who might be making money off the show, and concentrate on the very positive and beautiful message that JE relays to us on "Crossing Over".
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I was always taught, not to believe what you see on tv, because of the comercializm and make-believe. And this subject isn't morally something to make-believe about. I believe John has a gift, confirmed by thousands believers, but it doesn't iemune him from people taking advantage of this for profit. (forgive my spelling, please) It is not that I am worried about it, it is just something to bring up on the specptic board.(And probably under the wrong heading, sorry)
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Did you say that the Wichita seminar is sold out? I wonder why it doesn't say that on the telecharge website? They usually put a "sold out" banner next to the event. In any case, Galestorm, check this URL from time to time to see if they add any seminars close enough to where you live for you to attend.
https://www.telecharge.com/eventlist.pl?EVENT_LOCATION=SEARCH&NAME_FILTER=John
Good luck to you!........neo
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Thank you! I tried to order tickets from your link, but they still have it as the Sept time slot, and it is closed. The John Site said it was sold out, but I called the number and they confirmed it. I will just keep looking.
Ohhhh, I don't remember "My Little Margie" but I know that Gale Storm was in it. My first real name is Gale, and people always asked if I was named after Gale Storm, It wasn't, but it sticked with me.
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P.S. Are you too young to understand a "My Little Margie" reference? :)
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