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02-22-2002, 11:20 PM
I can't wait to hear about tonites seminar!! (tapping foot waiting for reports :)
02-24-2002, 07:41 PM
Hi All -- I went to the Tucson seminar on Saturday nite. Unfortunately I don't have a lot of time right now to post -- tomorrow afternoon I will post more commentary.
It was a good seminar -- Gary Schwartz spoke and John did over 15 readings!!
Promise to post more tomorrow.............
02-25-2002, 03:24 PM
Dr. Gary was there? How nice! (makes sense...Ariz.) Looking forward to hearing more!
02-26-2002, 09:47 AM
Ok (big deep breath) -- here goes.
The seminar was scheduled to start at 7:30pm with doors opening at 6:30pm. My group got into line about 5:30pm and I estimate we were about half way. I heard the line went almost out of the resort to the main road!! Trust me, it was a long line!! Fortunately, I met a lovely couple from San Diego -- Delores and I don't know her husband's name -- which helped pass the time. I told them about this site -- so if you are reading -- Hello!! :)
The line finally started moving about 6:50pm. The room was long and relatively narrow with a raised stage in the front. We sat in the middle on the right side. Very quickly it was obvious there weren't enough seats; people were lined up against the walls on the sides and back. There were 2 video cameras set up on either side of the room. I kinda thought it might be because Gary Schwartz would be there. We asked one of the camera operators who said the taping was for a documentary -- Life After Life Part 2??
The seminar didn't start until a little after 8pm and people were still coming in the doors. An unidentified woman explained why the cameras were there; also saying readings would not be taped. After giving the other general comments (no taping, turn off cell phones, etc) she introduced John; to a big applause.
John said we had a wonderful opportunity to hear Dr. Gary Schwartz speak about the science aspect and his experiments. Dr. Schwartz took the stage. The audience didn't want to listen; they wanted John. However, best behavior was demonstrated for about 20 minutes then the "natives started getting restless." One group began chanting, "We want John!!" In my opinion, it wasn't appropriate. Dr. Schwartz said he was almost done but wanted to end with an excerpt from Nelson Mandela's acceptance speech. Needless to say there were groans throughout the crowd. More chanting began when John stood on the back of the stage. Dr. Schwartz finally relented and John took over. There were several interesting things Dr. Schwartz said which I will post in another message.
John began reading immediately. The first reading waaaaay in the back (the people were standing against the back wall) was a long one because the people couldn't validate any of the information ... and John wouldn't "go away." He continued readings until after 11pm!! There were about 18 readings. Several were "dazzle shots" (a Dr. Schwartz analogy) like the woman whose father passed away 2 days early and hadn't been buried yet or the "D Z" connection which turned out to be a "Disney" character connected to a young girl who passed 2 months ago. As a whole, the readings were fabulous!! Some things couldn't be validated but most were. John told one family to remember the things they couldn't validate. He said most psychics will want you to forget the things that can't be validated but he wants you to remember.
In my opinion, this seminar in contrast to Las Vegas was nite and day as far as the audience goes. I didn't feel the energy and excitement in Tucson as I did in Las Vegas. My feeling was "I want(!!) a reading." One of my friends said he was afraid the crowd was going to rush the stage.
At 10:30pm John said he would take questions. Very few hands went up. The first question had to do with a woman asking if her father could hear her when he was in a coma prior to his passing. Before John answered, he launched into a reading for her. Of course for the next question hundreds of hands went up!! I think all successive questions, except one, was a question concerning a loved one who had passed. John complied and did reading for all of them. That's why there were so many readings.
Another post asked about seminar meditations. Tucson truly needed one!!
Oh yeah, books and tapes were not for sale.
As the day goes on, I'm sure I will remember other little tidbits which I will post. I tried to take notes -- it didn't work!!
Any other Tucson attendees?? Your thoughts??
02-26-2002, 09:49 AM
On Sunday morning when we were checking out of the hotel, my husband noticed on the events board a John Edward seminar from 9am - 3pm in the Grand Ballroom. One guess where we headed off to!! The room was empty, so I don't know if there was a private seminar and they moved to another room or what. John had mentioned during the seminar he was in Tucson a few days earlier because one of the people he was reading indicated there was a mother figure; however he said he met the woman's mother 2 days earlier!! Perhaps he was taking a little vacation in the AZ desert.
I am so sorry to hear that the crowd treated Gary rudely. I read a post on another discussion board from someone who didn't have a clue who Gary is, or how important he is to the future of cultural acceptance of belief in ADC and LAD, and she was totally rude in her description. I wish I could give Gary a big hug right now!
((((Gary Schwartz))))) !!!!
02-26-2002, 10:22 AM
Oh, I agree completely. My face turned red from embarrassment just reading how Dr. Schwartz was treated. I am reading his book, The Afterlife Experiment, right now and am very impressed with him. He seems to be a very likeable person. And the fun part is that he gets 'blown away' from just listening to the whole process. Made me giggle.
I am so sorry for the group that attended in Tucson, they truly missed a wonderful opportunity to learn something grand. :(
I do not believe I have heard of John doing readings for people that asked questions. That process is new to me.
I would love to hear more about the evening as you all remember it though. It is always good to get 'news'.
02-26-2002, 10:33 AM
Pam -- you are right on the money. I was embarrassed!!
About a half an hour after the seminar ended, on my way to the restroom, I saw him in the lobby talking with a few people. I planned to tell him how much I enjoyed his talk and that I had ordered a copy of his book. Unfortunately, he wasn't there when I returned. The good news is that when I returned home to Las Vegas last nite, a box from Amazon was waiting for me!!
I looking forward to begin reading this afternoon.
I know at the AC show there was at least one person with a question that got read and possibly another. (It would make you want to get your hand up for a good question). Even if you aren't read you at least get an answer to the question and will have actually spoken to John.:)
02-27-2002, 05:35 PM
I am saddened to hear that the crowd did not give the good Dr the respect he deserved. Which brings me to a very interesting thought....At least I think it is.
It seems that I have been meeting up with "New Fans" of crossing over....they have not read Johns books, listened to tapes or have had the pull to study the process....it seems to me those folks have a , well, for lack of a better word.....very needy, selfish feeling when it comes to John....I know I had it before being exposed to "His other side" of being a teacher. That is why I was so glad that he did the Q and A at the seminars and did a Q and A on the syndicated verision today.
I can certainly understand the need and want for a reading....I thought I came close to getting one in GLen Cove....but it simply was not meant for me. I feel that this has happnened for a reason.
If I had received a reading in New Haven, during an interview or in Glen Cove....I would have lost out on a valuable lesson....That there is comfort in the messages that others receive durng a seminar for me too. I would have also missed out on seeing the teacher in John. If I had a reading I would have not paid attention to the lesson of "The messages that come thru during a seminar are the ones that are supposed to come thru"
I feel those who did not want to hear anymore of what the Dr had to say...missed out on a lesson. Very sad.
I hope that John Continues to share the "teacher" in him on his show. I feel it will inspire those to be more respectful of the process during seminars.
I felt that the crowd in NH was very respectful...while the crowd in GLen Cove ....was not. I was amazed at the number of cynics..Yes you heard me...cynics.....(not skeptics) that I encountered in the Hall after the GLen Cove Seminar...People talking of Plants in the audience....mics ...very sad.
John did not do a mediation for Glen Cove but did for NH.....Could that have been the difference?
For New Haven...John took the tone of a wonderful teacher before he did readings....for Glen Cove....hedid share a little bit of that ..but mostly treated it like old home week.....I cant blame him for that....but do you think it made a difference?
Heck I think I am rambling...but the bottom line for me is I feel that there is a total difference I see in people who are pulled to be a student in the process vs those who need that fix of a reading
02-27-2002, 06:06 PM
No- I don't think this is rambing at all. Very well-thought out. And good points, too- being skeptical myself, I find Mr. Edward's "teacher" side to be the most rewarding for me personally. As I have not lost someone close to me, I don't feel the need of a reading nor really the pull of an empathetic one. I guess as long as we are all learning the process, one way or another, even the cynics. Well, I learn from them, at least- on what a better person I am than those closed off both spiritually and morally-
So yeah- you made perfect sense. At least to me. :D Yardbird
02-27-2002, 09:59 PM
Angelina -- no you weren't rambling at all, you stated your thoughts very well.
I said previously that I felt the people in Tucson demonstrated the attitude of "I want a reading." When I initially wrote the synopsis of the seminar I used the words "deserved a reading"; however I felt it was too strong and I was being too judgemental. After reading your post, I would definitely use the word "deserved."
Although neither of the 2 seminars I have attended had a meditation period; I do think they would be beneficial -- it would help to put things into perspective.
You also mentioned cynics in Glen Cove -- I felt the same in Tuscon. Especially when people started to leave early!! Unbelievable!!
02-28-2002, 10:36 AM
is he giving up on the seminar aspect of this whole thing still???...I mean ,when I went, I thought I was going to hear him talk about things and what he does etc....and like all of you have noted everyone just wanted readings and he pretty much came out and it was like watching crossing over ...I was a little upset by that....I have read all his books as well as those by other mediums ...such as James Van Pragg and Rosemary Altea....as well as many other relevant books on issues of this nature....
In fact I am feeling a little dumb here in that I am not familiar with this Gary Schwarz...can someone please post some recommended reading by this man...
I just wonder if I put the time into an intellegent, thought out question....will there be a Q&A session?? ....or just a "raise your hand for a reading" type thing going on again....personally, he talks way to fast and my brain, as far as making connections to things goes...is very slow...and putting two and two together takes me longer than a split second....I would probably frustrate him....I just sit back and enjoy the "me too" stuff that happens ...:D
02-28-2002, 11:24 AM
I should clarlify that I was not disappointed in either of the two Live seminars I attended. I was more disappointed in Glen Cove because an unusually large amount of people were not familar with the process and had some negative things to say after words. I guess I wanted everyone to feel as inspired as I did...and just think ...I drove 3 hours to get there!
It was hot and sweaty in Glen Cove and people didnt understand things like if JE saw a brother fiqure ( to the side of someone) it could mean a very close friend also.
SO some of the reading were like pulling teeth ...eventually it got around to validation......it took twice as long. That is why I stressed the point of his "teacher side" I think if they understood the process more....or felt the pull to be a student of it ...it would not only change the energy of the room...it would also make the readings easier. Just my opinion...
Here is the info on Dr Schwartz from Bio JE SITE
"John was featured in the HBO Documentary, Life Afterlife, that debuted in October 1999 where he established a connection to the Human Energy Systems Laboratory in Tucson, Arizona. Professor Gary Schwartz and his partner in science and life, Professor Linda Russek, head up the laboratory, and are dedicated scientists that are studying the science of mediumship and the evidence of survival of consciousness. "
The book on his studies was just released! I can not wait to read it. I would have considered it an honor to hear him speak.
02-28-2002, 11:33 AM
it strikes me as kind of odd that there could be that many people not familiar enough with how he works not to know the "above, below, to the side" business. did that strike you as kind of strange too?
i would gladly drive the 3 hours to listen to him speak even if he didn't do a single reading. i'm so bummed i'm gonna miss him in florida. my vacation had to be postponed so i'm not going to make any of the seminars there after all.........drat
02-28-2002, 11:47 AM
I think I saw that special...is that the one where John had to wear that funny thing on his head and they were "testing" him by having his back turned and such....and something about a pink something...I think that made John think it was a girl he was reading when in fact the guy was wearing a pink tie ...they did other mediums as welllike that Anderson fella....
something about trying to prove or disprove if "mind-reading" was happening.....
am I thinking of the right special????
If so, then I am aware of this Gary person....however, could someone please advise on his book titles????
though I suppose I could take my lazy fingers out surfing and find out for meself
02-28-2002, 12:31 PM
The HBO special you saw that included John and other mediums is the same experiment that Prof. Gary Schwartz and Prof. Linda Russek conducted. They have written one other book titled The Living Energy Universe - don't know when that was released.
I am half way through the present book that is the written presentation of the HBO special. Very good.
02-28-2002, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by blugrrl
If so, then I am aware of this Gary person....however, could someone please advise on his book titles????
Go to the home page of this site and you will find Dr. Schwartz' book. I ordered mine through Amazon and received it in 4 days!! Pam even put a link to Amazon, so you won't have to do any surfing!!
02-28-2002, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by forgiveness
I should clarlify that I was not disappointed in either of the two Live seminars I attended.
Neither was I disappointed in the 2 seminars I have been to. I just wish the audience in Tucson would have been more aware.
02-28-2002, 01:36 PM
thank you for your help...
and I wasn't disappointed in John Edward himself ....suffice to say I quess it was the audience...they just wanted him to "do his thing" no one seemed interested in much else...:(
I guess I was the one with the expectations that it was going to be something other than an hour long crossing over live version...
I suppose since the only thing of John's I don't have, I realize now, are the tapes....
I have Caroline Myss's tapes as well as Rosemary Altea's and I'm just not into that sort of format....perhaps John's are different and I should give them a listen...
maybe a bit of Long Island flavor to some of this new age stuff is just what I need...(don't take me the wrong way here....) just like what John has always said people do want to hear the same BS about being bathed in this and that....they want details...clarity...truths...
02-28-2002, 08:38 PM
I think I get a sense of where you are coming from..I'd like to share a quick thought...maybe just a different way of looking at thngs<warm Smile>
Maybe the truth that you are seeking from the Live seminar is there ....just waiting to be unfolded....
I know that sounds like alot of spiritual mumbo jumbo....but I learned something kinda kewl...going to John's seminars...
Just like ANY teacher (which JE is) They are not there to GIVE you the answers....They , like John...are there to Set you on a path....to assist you in finding the truth for yourself....and in finding the Answers that you seek
(The whole board says "ooooo...that was deep Angelina")
I know sounds deep...but that last part ISNT mumbo Jumbo....It was like this light went on for me.
And as JE says..."I wish you all the best!"
03-01-2002, 07:16 AM
Thanks Forgiveness for your kind words....I know where you are coming from...I have already learned so much just from the little bits of explanations he HAS provided us...they have really helped me understand a lot about a lot of different things...
I am not a cynic ...by any means...I would say I am a sceptical believer....
see what you've done....you have me POSTING.....instead of lurking
I also have a post over in the thread in reference to the tapes...as well as in the few threads you all have about (1) your interview and (2) that Rosie thing.....none of those things will work on this darn computer....it keeps saying access denied...I have never had this trouble downloading and listening to things on this pc...I have broadband.....maybe from the source location rather than a link or perhaps an email extension????
Poor John Edward - so many demands! How can one person please everyone, all the time?
I've been to 4 seminars in the past 16 months, and I've seen the attendance range in number from just under 1200 to nearly 3000. I've seen the attendees' behavior range from quiet, spiritual, and respectful to that of spectators at a carnival. Some seminars have included group meditation, some have not.
Among the attendees, there’s the more knowledgeable group of people who have been watching "Crossing Over" since it's inception -- they've read the books, they know the lingo, perhaps some have already attended previous seminars.
There's another group who are very new to all this. They're very interested, eager to learn, and have many questions. Sometimes, they get the opportunity to do just that. If it's a question that has been answered on "Crossing Over" on numerous occasions, or has been discussed in JE's books, the groans of the "seasoned" attendees can be heard across the street. But we were all there at that point at one time.
Some in the knowledgeable group just want to get right down to the readings. After all, that's what they really came for, whether they admit it or not. They don't want to hear the same stories they've already read in his books, heard on "Crossing Over," or in other seminars. Been there, heard that, let's get the show on the road.
Unfortunately, among the "newbies" there are also those who just want to jump into the readings, because they're not really interested in the spiritual side. Oh, they pretty much believe, all right, but they are looking for a quick fix. They don't want to bother with the research, the book-reading, or the studying. They want it to be handed to them on a platter.
Then there are those who are attending a seminar because they want to share in what always turns out to be a positive experience. They ask themselves, "What do I hope to gain by attending today? Why am I going? What will I learn?" They wish the seminar could last all day, instead of only three hours. They would dearly love to have a guest speaker who could help assist them on their spiritual path. They wish John Edward could talk at length, without feeling pressured by the audience's need for readings. Of course, they'd ALL love to get a reading, but it's not the ultimate goal.
In fact, many are attending, firmly believing that they won't get a reading at all, but so what? The most important part of that day is the message that they take with them when they leave. Of course, the basic message is always the same, but every seminar has it's own unique messages that those in attendance get to bring home and share with others. We always learn something new; we are grateful.
We had a group right behind us at the Atlantic City seminar that sounded like cynical teenagers. They joked and laughed about John almost the whole time. The only time I didn't hear them is when John stood next to us. I wondered if the casino gave out complimentary tickets, as they often do for their shows, and these people had no idea of what was going on.
03-01-2002, 07:46 PM
They do Gail - casino's do give out comps, so anyone will attend without ever really knowing of who JE is, and what his capabilities are.
We question that to (Carol) and of course they are aware that the casinos give out comps....and I don't think they have any control over it. It's a casino thing.
03-01-2002, 11:21 PM
I wouldn't mind that kind of comp at the casino. Any day, any time. In AC the people we sat near were quiet. Didn't hear anyone really say anything negative about him. The girl behind me did say she made her boyfriend bring her.;)
03-04-2002, 12:20 PM
Dont che love it when people bring someone who has never been exposed to JE...Its great to see their reaction.....
03-04-2002, 02:35 PM
Some of the groups reactions you are relaying are so different than what I've seen. I've only been to two seminars and other than the rousing welcome he received, everyone was polite and respectful. I'm surprised at some of the behaviors I've been reading about here. I'm sure different groups give off different energies.........I wonder how he copes with it all?
Originally posted by marcia
I'm sure different groups give off different energies.........I wonder how he copes with it all?
John said: "I encircle myself with the white light of love of divine protection. I allow nothing put positive thoughts and energy to effect me. I will not be influenced by the negativity of those I encounter."Phsyician heal thyself ;) He has to be an expert at "psychic protection" - even from the people who are positive about what he does, but so desparate for him to connect for them. He's said that it feels like a million tennis balls are being lobbed at him when he's in front of a crowd. He must be a master at focusing, something that eludes me, and my ADD :)
03-04-2002, 04:44 PM
Being a non-existent tennis player, I couldn't field one ball, let alone 1000s. Wow, I have to give him a lot of credit because I try the encircling myself with the white light to try to fend off some of the negativity at the office.....I'm not that good at it yet.....but that's why I'm a student and he's a teacher. I'm working on it though!
Originally posted by marcia
...I try the encircling myself with the white light to try to fend off some of the negativity at the office.....I'm not that good at it yet.....but that's why I'm a student and he's a teacher. I'm working on it though!
Good for you, Marcia! You're one step ahead of me -- I'm working on trying to REMEMBER to encircle myself with white light!
03-06-2002, 08:47 AM
You are funny!!:kidsmile: I guess that if we sometimes forget our car keys from time to time, then we can forget to protect ourselves with white light.
Focusing is hard, remembering is harder. but not a day goes by that I don't think of spiritual things to remind me to contemplate on some aspect of spirituality as a student. There are times I get annoyed and angry at someone or something, and then I think about spirituality and the anger I just experienced about something insignificant in the scheme of things. I think about someone is watching that and then I feel so silly. Learning from Crossing Over and the messages coming from spirits on Crossing Over has reminded me that someone is always watching what you do and feel what you feel. So now I ask whoever is with me to help me in remembering to protect and heal myself with white light and golden rays.
Originally posted by tashi147
...but not a day goes by that I don't think of spiritual things to remind me to contemplate on some aspect of spirituality as a student...
Yes, Tashi, that's the key! It is a beginning, isn't it?
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