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  • #64121
    Joe100
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    For some time have been keen on the ideas that mind (soul/higher self) is very much separate from the brain. As usual, I’m thinking too much but I would suggest that if it were discovered this was indeed the case, much of what the mainstream regard as “out there” would in fact make more sense.

    One current theory in consciousness studies is that memories are not stored in the brain (Berkovich, 2001). Berkovich is in the forefront of scientists who is exploring the theory that as an information storage unit, the brain cannot possibly hold all the information that is required to function in our society. Consequently, scientists are considering the alternative that the brain is more of an accessing unit much like a radio receiver. The actual storage place is somewhere else.:wink:

    Now, I’m not a betting man by any stretch, but I’d put $10 on this being the general way of thinking by 2010…?

    Thoughts?

    #91988
    starlasue
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    Joe

    Interesting thought. Here’s my take at this pont on my spiritual journey as one who “thinks too much” too. (sort of with a computer anaolgy.)

    If memory is stored in the brain, and the brain is organic, and the physcial dies, then our belief in LAD wouldn’t have a leg to stand on as memory would die with the body. However, if memory is stored in spirit (soul whatever) then it can live on and allow the spirit to retain memory when it crosses.

    So by my thinking and belief system, I would need to conclude that the brain is indeed a repository for the ‘back-up’ copy (if you will) of memory for this organic vehicle. However, the original source copy is stored in the spirit.

    Some folks have been in a ‘vegetative’ state with docs saying the organic brain is dead. Then by some miracle, they wake up and have memories from before and can relate that they heard people talking to them when they visited. To me all of that points to something higher than organic. So it does with someone suffering dementia before they pass – organically their ‘back-up’ disk has failed, but the hard drive has it saved for future access on the other side.

    Now don’t ask what happens when the hard drive fails – haven’t thought that far! :lwink: But I think the techie holding the strings on the hard drive is very, very awesome and that isn’t gonna be a real problem. :D

    My 2 cents!

    Peace
    starlasue

    #91984
    tinkster
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    Joe100 –

    I’m right there with you on this one!!

    tinkster :-)

    #91990
    Karn
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    Ditto to everything Starluse said.

    I do a lot of work with Past Life Regression, I don’t believe I would be able to do that if the soul was not the storage unit, so to speak, for life’s memories.

    Also if you think about when you’re working with the higher self, there is a light, and lack of “negative” emotions that is difficult to obtain while in your body, which I prefer to refer to as my soul’s earthly vehicle. Forgiveness, love, and compassion are all easier attained through the higher self.

    And that’s my two cents worth!

    Love and light,
    Karn :daisy:

    #91999
    qtncrazy
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    Ok starlasue, you didn’t think I was going to let this go by with out a comment did ya?

    I very much enjoyed your analogy. Being a techie myself, you certainly put it into terms that I could relate to!
    I can’t say that I’ve ever thought of it that way but it DOES make sense.
    Thanks for the post Joe!

    Chris

    #92010
    teresa02
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    Wise words from you all ………………

    #92022
    Theophilia
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    Originally posted by Joe100
    One current theory in consciousness studies is that memories are not stored in the brain (Berkovich, 2001). Berkovich is in the forefront of scientists who is exploring the theory that as an information storage unit, the brain cannot possibly hold all the information that is required to function in our society.

    I don’t remember who did the work, I think it’s referenced in Holographic Universe, but there was scientist who was working on the model that memories are stored in specific locations in the brain. So, he taught some rats to run a maze. Then, he tried to cut out parts of their brains that held the memories. That is, he tried to physically remove the memory. But he couldn’t. No matter what he cut out where or how much, they still knew how to run that maze. Some did it with neurologic damage, some did it while mostly blind, some were semi-paralyzed, but they had the memory. (Sorry, science is kinda gruesome sometimes.)

    It is my personal theory that we exist outside of, seprate from, our bodies. We see and hear and smell, perceive all with our true selves and we send that to our physical selves through our brains. Or skin. Or whatever.

    The stuff in our brains are like the cookies in our computers, they just help us retrieve oft-used info faster. “Where” is the memory? Well, there is no space in eternity. Memory just is, accessible to all persons, at all times. All experience is universal.

    Ya just have to be on the Other Side, or in touch with it, to have access. John has a hell of a modem, I think!

    Theo

    #92032
    czechchick3
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    It never fails, somebody’s always posting new threads that make me think things in a new way! This is one of those.

    #92033
    Irishrose
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    I am no scientist by any stretch but sometimes things just seem ‘right’.

    I have often wondered about parallel existance. I believe our bodies were created for a reason. Perhaps our soul felt the need to create a vehicle that allows the soul a way to experience various types of life experiences that count for its own growth. Once the body can no longer ‘hold’ the soul the body dies and the soul examines that particular life experience and decides how to proceed for the next level.

    I have no idea if any of that is true but from a couple of experiences I have had in my lifetime make me think my own inner voice tells me where we need to go and how we need to get there.

    It would be very exciting to come to a place in our lives that help us open up to further growth thereby helping our own souls reach the next level by our own actions this life.

    I would like to offer a comment regarding the rat experiment. Memory from the soul to us, I believe, is that inner voice guiding us as we go. So perhaps the word memory is incorrect. Maybe the word instinct is correct. Trees do not have memory but from their own seed they grow like the tree they came from. So do we. The things we live with, around and for are the things that surround us as we grow. Perhaps by repition allowed the rats to run the maze even after the various surgeries. Like I said, I am no scientist by any stretch but some things just seem to fit.

    All of the thoughts posted here are very good.

    Good thread, Joe, thanks for allowing us to voice various opinions.

    #69106
    Irish140
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    Maybe when we say we only use a small % of our brain, what we REALLY error in , is what/where the brain lives. Maybe every cell, every organism in our bodies hold brain cells, brain waves, thought and feeling processes that make up our whole.

    And then extending what our body IS to include the etheric/ auric body out a few inches from our physical, maybe this area holds and nurtures higher/wiser brain cells. Maybe with our accepting of spiritual truths, we are only now just starting to develop these brain cells and the lessons they teach us, or the lessons the awareness of owning these cells allows us to learn.

    The fact that we’re all even HAVING this discussion in a very matter of fact way, points to the realization that we are evolving.

    We are discovering ourselves. And isn’t that exciting?

    Irish140

    #92051
    Joe100
    Participant

    Originally posted by starlasue
    Joe

    So by my thinking and belief system, I would need to conclude that the brain is indeed a repository for the ‘back-up’ copy (if you will) of memory for this organic vehicle. However, the original source copy is stored in the spirit.

    Love your analogy.

    There is a thought that all significant ideas do come directly from spirit – when it’s time is ready. An example of this could be shown here? It may be we receive the thought or inspiration and what we do with it is our free will? Good or bad. Your computer analogy may well be more “spiritual” than we may think. The workings of this worldwide revelation might just be a clue to the workings of you and me.

    Having said all that, try telling Mr Computer Inventor his idea has been used “many” times before.
    :(

    #92147
    pudgybuster
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    Hello everyone :wave:

    Been buried in schoolwork this year and haven’t been here much, but this is an awesome thread — thanks Joe! :wink:

    I’m presently reading Seat of the Soul by Gary Zukav and it brings to “light” some new thoughts. He talks about five sensory versus multisensory personalities. What this means is that those personalities that think in the standard “five” senses can’t truly see into the soul, or non material visual sense. What they see and believe is what most of us see and believe — what we can touch, feel and put a name to in our every day lives.

    However, as we search, evolve and discern that the five senses just don’t answer all the questions, we begin searching deeper into our souls — we find that certain beliefs and even memories change color and meaning with the evolution of our inner being. (Is anyone as confused as I am :shrug: Anyway, the way he puts it makes perfect sense and seems to validate that our “brain” memories are really our evolved “soul” memories. And then also, part of the amnesia of our memories as we reincarnate is for a purpose — if we remembered exactly what we did, we’d just do the opposite — not FEEL it, just DO it and then we wouldn’t truly learn.

    Anyway — maybe it’s a good thing I’ve been gone for a while — I appear to be dazed and confused, don’t I :confused:

    Happy New Year,
    Jeannie

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