April 14, 2002 at 1:55 pm #62951irishshillegaghParticipant
Have you heard of Nostradamus? He was one of the best scryers in history. His prophecies are still avidly debated today. Scryers generally use polished metal, glass mirrors, blood, ink, soap bubbles, hand mirror a bowl of liquid. Some like the crystal ball. Some prefers the hanging fabrics mostly. He could also use his circle of protection, (the circle he stands on, it looks shinny enough to me.) The essence of scrying is that you must empty your mind and direct all your attention on the reflective surface, almost hypnotizing your self. If you do it right, images will appear.
(The pentagram is a five pointed star, on each point stand a guide to show you images or symbols. ) You see, the two phases of divination is: inbreathing and out breathing. That may not seem important, but it is. When you open the door to the psychic world, and wake the serpent, be prepared to give a gift for the gift of vision. A trained mind can focus quicker, then a beginner.
Scryers usually purify themselves in a salt bath, put on loose clothing and meditate. ( That means invoking the nameless one, or his co-horts). Smudging purifys the thoughts, so you can concentrate, on worldly gains the nameless one will give.
Undirected skrying yields random visions, but as I said, the trained mind can focus (hence , cold reading?) With training you can control it for awhile. ( At least, till the nameless, reclaims his gift along with payment due.) Skrying is the process, that gives the seer inner sights. The higher self acting through the subconscious, invokes the nameless one. Your inner mind, intuition, and desire, manifests itself, in the shadows of the thoughts you think. The shapeless one dwells and lurks all around.
WHAT THE MIND CANNOT CONTEMPLATE, THE EVIL, TO THEM DOES NOT EXIST. (The smoke screen ) We are limited by the human mind. Man was not meant to eat from the tree of knowledge.
( Scrying -Images are conveyed from the subconscious to the conscious mind. Physically & psychically , energy is transferred to the inner mind. )
Tampering with the unknown is risky business. Thats why they need a circle of protection. ( Protection against what? hmmmmm?)
(Refresh my memory, what is the price of a soul going for now a days?)
The barrier between the inside and outside is an invisible wall, called FREE WILL. It is in the choosing that you decide your fate.
If you choose to scry, to liberate the Higher self (soul) from it’s bondage of flesh, your lifeforce (soul) will transcend past the gate of Eden, to the darkside. Perception is the key. Evil directs itself to your higher self, with symbols acting through the subconscious. Don’t you see, the human mind is the connecting medium? There exists, forms and qualities not perceived by the mind of man, and they are utterly beyond human reach.
So, becareful of what you wish for, cause you just may get it.April 14, 2002 at 3:59 pm #76471Pam BKeymaster
I’m only leaving this post here, as an example of how fundamentalist religion uses fear to control their flock, and as an opportunity to comment on that.
irishshillegagh’s post above, is a clear example of the misinformed speaking about the subject of scrying, hoping to cause the same fear and dread she feels in her own heart and at the same time, gaining herself some kind of brownie points to be used as a ticket to the “right place” when it’s her time to pass over.
Gimme that old time religion – not.
Here’s the most telling statement in her post, the one that the fundamentalist’s hang all their power and control upon:
Evil directs itself to your higher self, with symbols acting through the subconscious. Don’t you see, the human mind is the connecting medium? There exists, forms and qualities not perceived by the mind of man, and they are utterly beyond human reach.
These people are taught that they are not to trust themselves, or their own ability to connect with the divine. Notice the admonition not to attempt to reach “your higher self”. Isn’t that where we meet with God? We are TOLD that it’s not possible to do that on our own.
If they did trust themselves, they certainly wouldn’t need some authoritarian organization or robed man to tell them what the divine was all about, and serve up the algebraic formula for how to get on God’s good side. Any attempt to cut out the “middle man” (the priest or pastor) is seen as heretical, and an invitation to evil. Not only are we to be fearful of going there, we are told that we cannot meet the divine there, because it is “utterly beyond human reach.”
Everything that wisdom traditions tells us, is that the spiritual experience is ours to own. We are not only free to attempt to connect on our own, we are compelled by love to do so, and to resist the invitation is un-natural and even damaging to our psyche.
Fear is powerful, but Love is always victorious.April 15, 2002 at 1:50 am #76475gretaParticipant
Pam, once again a well-crafted response to a very confusing message. It is so sad that people have to live their lives like that. I for one will take love over fear any day.April 15, 2002 at 11:12 am #76477VTFlowerGirlParticipant
Pam wrote: “I’m only leaving this post here, as an example of how fundamentalist religion uses fear to control their flock, and as an opportunity to comment on that. irishshillegagh’s post above, is a clear example of the misinformed speaking about the subject of scrying, hoping to cause the same fear and dread she feels in her own heart and at the same time, gaining herself some kind of brownie points to be used as a ticket to the “right place” when it’s her time to pass over “.
Thank you Pam. My thoughts exactly.
irishshillegagh wrote You see, the two phases of divination is: inbreathing and out breathing. ….. When you open the door to the psychic world, and wake the serpent, be prepared to give a gift for the gift of vision.
In all the books I’ve read on divination and dowsing I’ve never read anything of the sort. But then again I’m reading books not religiously based, but rather more scientific and instructional. I don’t understand why the gift of psychic ability, or anything unexpilicable that is beneficial – must come from “the serpent”? Benevolent vs. malevolent intent is the key, not perception.
A cookbook full of recipes for dinner is a harmless thing. A cookbook full of recipes for poison is not. A cookbook used to beat somebody over the head to try to teach them or motivate them to cook is not the intended purpose of the tool. To me the bible is nothing but a reference book which can be interpreted a million different ways depending on what you’re “cooking”.
A little bit of fear is a good thing, it is itself a gift.. (read Gavin De Becker, The Gift of Fear)…. however too much fear paralyzes. Freewill is the concept that human conduct expresses personal choice and is NOT determined by physical or divine forces (Webster). Discretion is using one’s own judgement to act or decide (Webster). When one is frightened, freewill and discretion sometimes become skewed. Fight or flight? Or so scared you can’t even speak, or maybe even can’t breathe? Education and research often helps alleviate some fears – including fear of the unknown which includes much of the subject “divination”. Don’t let rantings from those fearful to discover the unknown limit your own personal development.
John Edward’s intent is one of benevolence – he’s there for those who have crossed (as he stated most recently in Albany last weekend), as opposed to those with the “demands” here who want “proof”. His message has brought hope and consolation to millions. His intent is to help people and nothing else. Sometimes empowerment is a scary thing too, and that’s what JE “preaches” – that we each have the power within us.
You can run from it or you can learn from it. Freewill. Your choice.
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