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  • #63130
    sgrenard
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    Last night, or was the night before, Larry King was discussing the Elizabeth Smart case and they had phone-ins. One caller asked our favorite question “..have they ever considered using a psychic.” Below is the transcript of this segment of the program that addresses this question.

    The pros and cons come out nicely in this discussion but in the end I think the pros have it: a child is missing and its worth the shot! I have had skeptics tell me it is wasting police resources. Sorry. This is the job of the police. They can and should find the time to check out every viable or possibly relevant lead …whether its from an eyewitness or informant, intuition and investigative suggestions or based on a psychic impression.

    Sure it wont be admissible in court but I find Court-TV attorney Nancy Grace’s remark interesting. She seems to indicate such testimony may be admissible but that you might have a juror who is a cynic o closed minded skeptic who doesn’t believe its possible and this could turn the jury. As an investigative tool, however, there seems to be nothing wrong with using a psychic.


    KING: Hi.

    CALLER: This might be a long shot, but have they ever
    considered using a psychic on this case?

    KING: Well, they called in a lot of it — Mark?

    GERAGOS: The, you know …

    KING: A psychic.

    GERAGOS: … it isn’t that much of a long shot. In
    cases where they get, where they’ve become
    increasingly colder, increasingly frustrated, they’ve
    done it.

    I’ve had cases where psychics …

    KING: The late …

    GERAGOS: … have been brought in.

    KING: … Peter Hurkos did a lot.

    GERAGOS: Exactly. And there are people, …

    LEE: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

    GERAGOS: … that they will use if they think that
    they’ve got — they’ve reached a dead end in some
    aspect.

    KING: Dr. Lee?

    LEE: I’ve got a couple of letters people send to me,
    including one psychic, and volunteered some
    information. I did send those letter to Utah.

    And of course, we in our cases, sometime we use
    psychic. And when the case run to the dead end, family
    demands, you know, something had to be done.

    But, you know, it’s just another way, but not really
    give you — it’s not a pure science. So we really
    don’t, can’t put too much hope on psychics.

    KING: Karen, do you know if the Salt Lake City police
    have talked to any psychics?

    SCULLIN: I do know that they have not. And to quote
    the chief of police, at one point he said he had
    psychics coming out of his ears, calling in and
    offering their tips, and where she’s located and
    things like that.

    They believe in their investigators. They have good
    investigators on this case. And I think they don’t
    need to rely on psychics at this point. And so they’re
    not going down that road right now.

    Maybe if they get desperate, if it turns out not to be
    Richard Ricci, maybe then.

    KING: Nancy, would you have used a psychic?

    GRACE: Yes. I would have called on the services of a
    psychic. And you know why? When your trail is cold and
    you think the victim may still be alive.

    A lot of people don’t believe in psychics. My jury is
    still out. But I would be willing to try it.

    The only problem with using a psychic, even if you get
    results, is that when it comes jury trial time, you’ll
    have somebody on your jury that doesn’t believe in
    psychics, and it will taint the state’s case.

    Then you’ll have a problem. But, you may have the girl
    alive.

    KING: Mark, we’ve got a couple of seconds. Do you
    think this case is going to be cracked?

    GERAGOS: Yes, I do. We talked about it at the break. I
    just have a feeling that this is going to be cracked.
    It’s not going to take a whole long time.

    I think something’s going to break, and break fairly
    soon.

    KING: We thank you all very much. We’ll be calling on
    you again. We thank our earlier guests, as well.

    Nancy Grace of “Court TV,” defense attorney Mark
    Geragos, Dr. Henry Lee of the world of forensic
    science and Karen Scullin, investigative reporter for
    KSL TV, covering the case in Salt Lake City.

    __________________________________________________

    #78426
    Fairiedust
    Participant

    I thought the main objective of any kidnapping was to return the child ALIVE, back home to their families.

    How can they not use every resource at their fingertips to save an innocent child? Deal with the perpetrator later. Isn’t the child seeing their face enough evidence, or are they just assuming the child is dead?

    FD

    #78674
    gree
    Participant

    Have any psychics offered their services to the family? If yes, do you know whether the help has been accepted?
    Do you know the success rate of psychics finding missing children?

    #78901
    AuntJeannie
    Participant

    Originally posted by gree
    Have any psychics offered their services to the family? If yes, do you know whether the help has been accepted?
    Do you know the success rate of psychics finding missing children?

    A well-known psychic medium in my area works extensively with the police. I would never tell her name unless asked and the police here won’t reveal her name either. It is the only way she can have factual information come to her. Our police are willing to go to all lengths to find someone.

    Strange as it may seem, she does not advertise at all. She has done quite well simply by having a high accuracy percentage. She also will not volunteer her service and feels like the person needing her in these instances must believe she can help.

    I believe JE has said this too. I read somewhere that he was asked about the Smart case and said he would only help if the family or police asked him. Other psychics were going on TV constantly giving their opinion. Just one more reason JE is high on the integrity scale.

    Take care,
    AuntJeannie

    #78925
    sgrenard
    Participant

    Originally posted by AuntJeannie
    I believe JE has said this too. I read somewhere that he was asked about the Smart case and said he would only help if the family or police asked him. Other psychics were going on TV constantly giving their opinion. Just one more reason JE is high on the integrity scale.

    Take care,
    AuntJeannie

    Hi Jeannie … its nice to see you posting here….

    No ethical psychic medium should talk about any forensic case on television or to the media regardless of whether or not they were asked by the family or the authorities to try their skills.

    If the family makes such a request, it is also very delicate to tell them any information as to who the perpetrator might be or to give them any information. This information should be given only to the police for investigation. If family gets hold of this type of information they may go out on their own to work the case, putting others in danger as well as themselves. JE has alluded to this a few times on his program in cases of murdered loved ones.

    This is one area that should be strictly off limits for public discussion when it comes to specific on-going unresolved cases.
    You never know who might be reading.

    #79911
    solana
    Participant

    A friend of mine who is a psychic in Virginia Beach once told me that she and a few others who did psycic work would get together once a month or so to do wome work with missing persons and so on.

    I never asked her for any deatails, to be honest.. I never thought to. I honestly cannot understand why psychics are not asked for help more often. Even if I were a skeptic, I think I would feel as if It can’t hurt.

    My thought would not be anything to do with how it would affect the future trial of the pepatrator of the crime. If someone I loved were missing, I would want to find them. Period..

    #79944
    AuntJeannie
    Participant

    Originally posted by sgrenard

    Hi Jeannie … its nice to see you posting here….

    No ethical psychic medium should talk about any forensic case on television or to the media regardless of whether or not they were asked by the family or the authorities to try their skills.

    If the family makes such a request, it is also very delicate to tell them any information as to who the perpetrator might be or to give them any information. This information should be given only to the police for investigation. If family gets hold of this type of information they may go out on their own to work the case, putting others in danger as well as themselves. JE has alluded to this a few times on his program in cases of murdered loved ones.

    This is one area that should be strictly off limits for public discussion when it comes to specific on-going unresolved cases.
    You never know who might be reading.

    Sgrenard,

    I tried to pick out a single quote from your post, but everything you said is so true.

    The only comment I have is that I remember a reading JE did for a woman who had become quite an activist speaking out about her son’s death and the circumstances surrounding it. This was the first time I heard JE say “You need to stay out of this. This isn’t a question, it’s a statement.” He cautioned her about getting involved. This is one of the main reasons I have so much respect for JE. He knows his boundaries and his abilities.

    A detective friend of mine believes in using psychics and mediums. He does, however, feel the information should come to the investigators first and then the family , simply because the police are far better trained to handle the results. I trust my detective friend to go to the mat for me and I’ve never really wanted to find out information to the point of danger.

    Again, thanks. Looks like you and I are on the same page.

    Have a blessed day & lets all pray for our country this week.

    AuntJeannie

    #80185
    AuntJeannie
    Participant

    Originally posted by sgrenard

    Hi Jeannie … its nice to see you posting here….

    No ethical psychic medium should talk about any forensic case on television or to the media regardless of whether or not they were asked by the family or the authorities to try their skills.

    I received a response over the weekend showing a new post to this topic, yet I couldn’t find it. It was from Kuma. Has anyone else read this.

    Thanks for your response, I’ve read it again and again, especially the above quote. Investigators are hampered enough by time, space and unanswered questions. I can’t even begin to tell you how that has affected my life.

    God bless,
    AuntJeannie

    #80186
    Pam-admin
    Keymaster

    It was removed for Kuma’s lack of education on how to communicate with other people who don’t share his belief system.

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