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  • #85575
    NightMystic
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    :confused: Talk about confused. I am still somewhat struggling with my spirituality. Do I believe in God? Absolutely. I have been following JE for about 2 years now and have read all his books. I have also followed very closely another psychic and have read all their books.

    My problem? I was a pastor for 20 years and a real born-again conservative, fundalmentalist, pentecostal Christian for some 33 years now. Can I identify with some of you? Maybe more than most. I used to preach against this kind of stuff. To me it was all either perpetrated by frauds or it was of the devil. I have 7 years of Bible School and over 20 years of pastoring that I have to deal with. I still have problems with things such as:

    1. Reincarnation – although I have found some solid Biblical references that may well point that out.

    2. The concept of no personal devil, no demons and no hell. That’s a real biggie, because of the fear (bad I know) that if I totally let go and follow this line of spirituality, I may be dooming myself to hell.

    It’s hard to put aside these things totally, I think. If anyone has a similar experience to mine, I wish you could tell me what it is that made you change from one form of spirituality to another.

    Blessings.
    NightMystic

    #85577
    Diane1791
    Participant

    It’s hard to put aside these things totally, I think. If anyone has a similar experience to mine, I wish you could tell me what it is that made you change from one form of spirituality to another.

    NightMystic,

    My roots are deep in the Southern Baptist religion. It was the way I was raised, and the way I raised my children. I am certain that I would still be sitting in church on the front pew every Sunday had I not been confronted with the hard, cold fact that my son is gay. I was desperate to find a way to believe that would allow me to love my son because I didn’t know how not to love him. And I absolutely could not accept the premise that my child would spend eternity in hell. After wallowing around in self pity for nearly a year, I stumbled across “A Course in Miracles”. I do recomend the Course for anyone who struggles with fear based fundamental Christian religion. The Course is a channeled work, written in Christian terminology which made it easier for someone like me to accept. I ignored the warnings given to me by well meaning family members and friends, that books, such as the Course, are the work of the devil and that I was just paving my own road to hell by reading it. I made the conscious decision that “if” my child would spend eternity in hell, then I would just have to take the chance that I would be there with him. I’ve considered myself a student of the Course ever since…..and that was over 16 years ago. Once I allowed my mind to open just a tiny bit to read the book, I was amazed at how quickly my mind gaped open eagerly absorbing the message of love.

    Religion does have a place in this world, and I think it is a good place for many. Religion taught me that there IS a hereafter. People like JE continue to prove that to me. I still enjoy reading the bible although I don’t believe in the same way I once did. It was a bingo moment for me when I realized that “I” am in control of what “I” believe.

    Wishing you well on your journey.
    Diane

    #85600
    NightMystic
    Participant

    Thanks Diane. I will try to get the course on miracles and see what it does for me. Believe me, I truly WANT to believe what JE and other psychics say about the Other Side. I don’t want to believe that anyone, especially members of my own family, will wind up in a place such as hell or the Lake of Fire. I do love God, but want to believe that His love transcends the judgement and hell thing.

    Anyone else out there have a similar experience?

    Blessings.

    NightMystic

    #85602
    PaulsMom
    Participant

    Originally posted by NightMystic
    I do love God, but want to believe that His love transcends the judgement and hell thing.
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    Ohhh my!! NightMystic…you have managed to put into words my exact thoughts and feelings which I’ve had for the past several years. I AGREE with you…that is the kind of God I choose to believe in as well.

    Wishing you love and peace……

    Connie

    #88174
    Joe100
    Participant

    Megray said:

    “I’m Catholic, or as I like to say, a “pick and choose Catholic”. I don’t agree with all the teachings of the church, but I have no problem ignoring them either. I also believe that you don’t need an organized religion to have a personal relationship with God”

    Why would you go only half way in any belief system?

    You know in your heart what you believe in. We all do.
    Belief on Earth is a comfort and we all need it.
    An organisation as big as Man leads your Catholic Church! This is important but not what it was meant to be. My comfort is the knowing “I AM” as one with you as the next. I believe you don’t need organised movements/religions. You never did.

    But who can change this?

    Who would dare?

    Quote:
    I don’t agree with all the teachings of the church, but I have no problem ignoring them either. I also believe that you don’t need an organized religion to have a personal relationship with God”

    This from One but could be from everyone of the flock:goofy:

    #88186
    Dancer754
    Participant

    Sylvie

    I can understand how you feel because I also felt the same way for a very long time. I was raised Catholic and also experimented with other religions. I aqree with you that God is not something we should fear and is in all of us. For a long time I was confused as to why there are so many different forms of organized religions and how they all preach that they are the right path that leads to God and going to heaven. I do not think it is possible that any one in particular is the right one, and all the others are wrong. It makes more sense to me that God would accept all of them and there are many paths to take to be with him.

    John Edward often talks about surrounding ourselves with the White Light, which he refers to as God’s Love. Thinking about this and the fact that what God is all about is Love, I find that I have a new inner peace and feel closer to God when I surround myself with God’s Love and also listen to my inner thoughts and feelings with a focus on love. I read a book recently that says God speaks to us through our feelings and we will always know it is him because it will be our highest thought. So I agree with you 100 percent when you say that you pray and talk to God and practice what you believe is right for you.

    Debby

    #88191
    Theophilia
    Participant

    Originally posted by Don
    Although a bit off topic here, this sounds like a great topic for our sister site Spiritdiscovery.com

    Don–

    Not arguing, just confused. Why would this be off-topic in this area called Spiritual, Religious, Scriptural? Thanks-

    Theo

    #88192
    Theophilia
    Participant

    I am also Catholic, I converted in my 40s from a variety of Protestant experiments. At any rate:

    Part of the answer might be to define what “religion” means? Humans organize themselves into groups as part of their nature and institutionalized belief systems will always be part of human culture.

    But in a book I was reading on Oglalla religion, the author defines religion, the word, as coming from a root that means “bind back together.” That makes so much sense to me in terms of making our spirit present again, of becoming more whole in terms of mind, body, spirit.

    We come to the physical plane for very good reasons, I think, and being physical as well as spiritual beings, we express our spirits in physical actions, like prayer. Or posture. I believe there is also great power in community. Or else we could all come alone to separate planets.

    The secret, however, is: no one in any religion really believes every single thing the religion says. I don’t. But I was led here, and for me, (maybe not for anyone else) this is where and how all of my miracles happened.

    But, well, I just LOVE my Church!

    Theo-

    #88202
    Jude
    Participant

    Theo, I believe what Don meant was that that there are discussions on individual religions at Spirit Discovery, but the purpose of this folder is to discuss:

    “Spiritual and/or Religious issues that are implied by John Edward’s work. Scriptural support for healing and other gifts received and performed by the laity.”

    Religion, like politics, can be a touchy subject. :)

    #88210
    Theophilia
    Participant

    Originally posted by TXJUDE
    Theo, I believe what Don meant was that that there are discussions on individual religions at Spirit Discovery, but the purpose of this folder is to discuss:

    “Spiritual and/or Religious issues that are implied by John Edward’s work. Scriptural support for healing and other gifts received and performed by the laity.”

    Well, it seems like the value and importance of institutionalized religion in a person’s life is an issue that John’s work does bring up. To me, anyway.

    It’s like all the people seem to be all “in the same place.” Between the books and CO, John has occaisionally heard from some rather unsavory individuals. And sometimes an atheist or two. So, that brings us to the question “If we are all going to the same place, anyway, what do we need religion for?”

    Or, maybe I just missed everyone’s point!

    Theo-

    #88213
    Jude
    Participant

    Perhaps I should have waited and let Don answer your question regarding a post he made 5 months ago.

    In any case, my point was that we try to steer away from discussion on individual religions for obvious reasons. We just want to avoid people giving their opinions of specific religions in order not to offend anyone. We’re all entitled to our own opinions, but not at the expense of someone else’s feelings, which has happened in the past.

    For the record, though, there are some people who believe every thing their religion says, without question. I know a few that fall into that category, but not many.

    For a discussion on organized religion in general, you may want to view this old thread. Excellent one, I might add:

    http://www.johnedwardtalk.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1610&perpage=20&pagenumber=3

    #88231
    Don
    Participant

    Yepper. This forum’s description is: Spiritual and/or Religious issues that are implied by John Edward’s work. Scriptural support for healing and other gifts received and performed by the laity.

    Originally posted by sylvie66

    I would like to know of others experiences with this conflict and how you found what you were looking for. At the moment I pray and talk to God and practice what I believe is right for me. I am not looking for recommendations of various religions here – I am just asking what feels right to you and what helped you find the answers that seem to me to be quite confusing.

    Sylvie’s post was leaving the door open for a lot of controversial comments. When I, and the other moderators, see an issue that’s brought out heated feelings in the past, we like to give the posters a heads-up and an alternative, as we know that no one likes to see their posts edited or cut.

    While there’s nothing at all wrong with the topic, our main theme, on this site, of course, is the work and the message of John Edward.

    #88234
    smkymtngrl
    Participant

    NightMystic, you summed up in your post excactly the same things I have been struggling with for a couple years now. I was raised in a very strict Free Will Baptist home. I was taught that if it isn’t in the Baptist doctrine that it’s wrong. I remember being a kid and doing something silly like bumping my head and accidentally swearing, then fearing I would go to hell if I didn’t repent right away. Silly, I know, but I was taught so strictly, there was just no joy for me in church. I always left services feeling totally unworthy, which is just the opposite of what I should have felt. I was afraid of my thoughts and actions all the time; afraid of going to hell for eternity if I screwed up in some way.

    I have my grandma (mamaw, as I called her) to thank for opening my mind up to this. After she passed in ’95, I had a few visits from her. That in turn led me to learn about JE’s work. I still have some questions, some along the same lines as yours. But what I have learned is that there is no black and white. As an adult with children of my own now, and the precious visits from mamaw, I realize it’s up to me to form my own opinions. I am far from figuring it all out; I probably never will. But it feels good to know I have the freedom to do that. I guess I’ve figured out what Free Will Baptist really means. I have free will. Thanks for putting into words just how I feel!

    Heather

    #89303
    Bluejay
    Participant

    I was raised in a strict Protestant religion similar to the Presbyterians and dropped out completely as an adult, but still a believer.
    When I had about 3 near-death experiences back in 1975-1977, that I remember little more than the tunnel and the light. I came out of it with a firm belief that we all go to the same place where we find out what we did wrong and probably feel the pain of our actions.
    As to what’s the difference if we all go there anyway? It’s our spiritual growth that allows us
    to have direct contact with God’s light and love, and the healing power we receive for our mind and body. When God’s love is present we can endure anything and hope for improvement.
    Praying for peace and for my family and friends is a real blessing too. You only cheat yourself if you don’t reach for God. Our creator knows us better than we know ourselves and forgives us for being human and not believing. God is love.
    Bless you all.

    #89844
    flower-faerie
    Participant

    Hello Sylvie

    I haven’t read all of the posts in this thread yet, but I once had similar confusion over religion as you. I once tried going to a few different churches and seeing how I felt, also reading up on a few different religions too. I have also heard some very harsh rules or ideas from certain religious idividuals. My own beliefs now on religion is that many of them are mans interpretation on what God teaches us. It’s a bit like Chinese Whispers, things get a little distorted and missunderstood. However, everyone must choose which path they wish to follow, and what they feel happy with, and is right for them. What I don’t like to hear, but do of course, are those people who say that their religion is the only true religion, and that something horrible is going to happen to anyone who doesn’t belive and follow what they do. This is a very self righteous and narrow minded view in my opinion. Maybe we are all on the same path, but choose a different way to get there, whatever, we are all idividuals, and live in a free world.
    What is very wrong though, are those relgions that try to get people with them through fear tactics. I believe people should always follow thier hearts because of what they feel is right for them, rather than because of what they fear will happen to them if they don’t.

    Love and Light

    Mandy

    :daisy:

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