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  • #62921
    Smokerzzon
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    Im pretty interested in paranormal research. And from what I can see; some psychics, such as eg. John Edward, are so correct In their “prophecys” that either they have to cheat in some way, or have some kind of supernatural luck in the art of guessing.

    Im still pretty sceptical though, how come none of these psychics use their powers to win at the lottery?
    Even If they feel that It`s like cheating, how come they not give their lottery money to welfare instead? Wouldnt that be for a good cause?

    Im very eager for a reply.

    Regards

    Smokerzzon

    PS: Please excuse my bad English. I really hope people will be able to decrypt my message.

    :D

    #76207
    rebekah
    Participant

    This was at the end of a Crossing Over Ep. So in Johns own words….

    “I think one of the age old if were so psychic why can’t we predict the lottery. The Professional answer is it is not for that. The personal answer is don’t you think we all tried.” –JE

    In my opinion if this were god based, it would make sense. Money is of the physical world. Psychics are more towards the sprite world and the connection between the spiritual and physical world. In some way the Sprit world would have to be involved and the sprit world has no involvement with money. So unless winning the lottery is part of your life’s purpose.

    RJ

    #76208
    Smokerzzon
    Participant

    Thanks allot for the reply. :-)

    I still wonder why they cant though…

    Some psychics are masters at fortelling “coincidental” happenings, such as, “what the number will be when someone throw a dice” etc…

    Maybe It has got to do with how strong their “paranormal” powers are? There have to be allot more power to fortell how one in a million lottery game will end than throwing two dice in a row and guess both numbers right? Ofcourse….

    An analogy: A ordinary human need some pretty good physical strenght to be able to run 5 km without a pause. However, there are some, few, people who have a great physical gift, and they could be able to run maybe 2 miles without a pause.

    Analogy1: “5 km run = throwing two dices and guess both the results correct”
    Analogy2: “2 miles run = Guessing the right number out of one million”.

    Cheers

    PS: Please forgive my bad English, Its to hot in my room.
    :jumper:

    #76209
    Pam B
    Keymaster

    This thread has been moved to the “Answering Skeptics and Debunking Cynics” because it falls under the topic of “skepticism”. Please try to put posts in the right subject folder.

    Thank you! :)

    #76210
    VTFlowerGirl
    Participant

    My take on the “winning the lottery” question is that being the recipient of such a windfall is not always such a good thing. How many people’s lives have been ruined by having more money than wisdom? You can have all the money in the world and still be spiritually bankrupt.

    Secondly, from my studies I’ve learned that the power that gives such gifts as psychic ability can be just as quick to take it away if it is used for trivial matters or self indulgence. The intent must be need and not greed, for the betterment of others and not self gain.

    #76211
    Pam B
    Keymaster

    Ditto, my belief is that psychic skills are a spiritual “gift” (even though we all have the same potential to learn to use those psychic skills) and that the ability cannot be used for purposes of material gain.

    For instance, John Edward does he what he does for the person, so they can have healing and growth. Not so the person can find the will.

    #76216
    PsyQuestor
    Participant

    Charisms are for others by definition. You would not gain for yourself by the use of your gifts. There have been many well known psychics who say that they are unable to use this insight for themselves…

    Winning the lottery would be pushing the limits of the charism, even if it were for charity.

    Peace,
    Tammy

    Christian Theol. a divinely inspired gift, grace, or talent, as for prophesying, healing, etc.: also charism

    #76217
    Smokerzzon
    Participant

    Thanks again, for your replies. It was very helpfull!!

    :thumbsup:

    But I have some more remarks and question I want people to ponder about.

    Pam wrote:

    “Ditto, my belief is that psychic skills are a spiritual “gift” (even though we all have the same potential to learn to use those psychic skills) and that the ability cannot be used for purposes of material gain.”

    But Isnt that kind of what John Edward, and other phycics, do? That is, they recieve money [personal material gain] to help people. I think, even if they could use their gift to win at the lottery (Which I dont think noone could – Its a way too hard task, even for the most powerfull psycics today) and give the money too charity, wouldnt that be kind of helping people to contact dead relatives?

    “My take on the “winning the lottery” question is that being the recipient of such a windfall is not always such a good thing. How many people’s lives have been ruined by having more money than wisdom? You can have all the money in the world and still be spiritually bankrupt.”

    Defintely, but I know that many people In Etiopia would love to get money for education, houses, healthcare, etc.

    Money Isnt the most important thing, If you live In the “West”, since even many of the poorest people in Europe have enough money to make it pretty good.

    “Secondly, from my studies I’ve learned that the power that gives such gifts as psychic ability can be just as quick to take it away if it is used for trivial matters or self indulgence. The intent must be need and not greed, for the betterment of others and not self gain.”

    Interesting. Is It possible for you to reveal any of these studies for me and others in the future? That would have been wonderful.

    Again, thanks allot!

    Ive been searching for a forum like this for awhile, and finally, I found it!

    :jumper:

    Best whishes

    Smokerzzon

    #76220
    Pam B
    Keymaster

    Originally posted by Smokerzzon
    Pam wrote:
    “Ditto, my belief is that psychic skills are a spiritual “gift” (even though we all have the same potential to learn to use those psychic skills) and that the ability cannot be used for purposes of material gain.”

    But Isnt that kind of what John Edward, and other phycics, do? That is, they recieve money [personal material gain] to help people.

    You’re blurring the lines of your own question. There’s a big difference between “earning a living by helping others”; and “winning a lottery by guessing numbers.” One is earning by your work or profession, one is not earning. The two are not comparable. Personally, I don’t want money that I haven’t earned :tsktsk:

    I think, even if they could use their gift to win at the lottery (Which I dont think noone could – Its a way too hard task, even for the most powerfull psycics today) and give the money too charity, wouldnt that be kind of helping people to contact dead relatives?

    No. If John wins the money and gives it to me, how does the money help me contact my dead relative? Where’s the connection between me having the money and being able to contact my dead relative? :shrug:

    #76222
    Smokerzzon
    Participant

    First of all. I need to work on my English. :-)

    “You’re blurring the lines of your own question. There’s a big difference between “earning a living by helping others”; and “winning a lottery by guessing numbers.” One is earning by your work or profession, one is not earning. The two are not comparable. Personally, I don’t want money that I haven’t earned.”

    Ok, I think I agree with you. :-)

    “No. If John wins the money and gives it to me, how does the money help me contact my dead relative? Where’s the connection between me having the money and being able to contact my dead relative? “

    Well, there Is no “direct” connection. :-)

    I misstyped the text very terrible.

    But the key word is “helping”. In either way, he is using his gift to help people.

    Best whishes

    Smokerzzon

    #76223
    PsyQuestor
    Participant

    But a charism is for the spiritual helping of others.

    How does money help you spiritually?

    Tammy

    #76226
    Phigalilly
    Participant

    I think there is a misconception some have that psychics are supposed to be omniscient (all knowing) and because they aren’t, they must be frauds. When skeptics/cynics use the argument that if psychics truely had the ability to see into the future they’d all be lottery winners it just shows me they really don’t get it at all.
    I had the “why don’t they win the lottery and retire” conversation with a cynical friend once and tried to explain the idea that psychics don’t *go get* any information they chose, but have the ability to perceive the information they are given. This led to the “so who is in charge of the information” question and because my friend doesn’t believe there is anything greater than man the discussion quickly became pointless. So what’s my point?:D I don’t understand the importance of the lottery question. It sure comes up often enough, but , to me, it’s meaningless.
    Sandra:)

    #76229
    VTFlowerGirl
    Participant

    I agree with you Sandra, the lottery question is meaningless. Money is not one of the necessities of life, but food, shelter and water are. They can all be found without using money and many people fulfill all those needs without using currency. Granted that our western culture is currency based, but people can and do become self-sufficient and live entires lives without “money”. In fact some of the most content people I know are those that have the least money and most “spiritual” wealth, either as part of a loving community or even being alone and one with nature.

    Smokerzzon, if you have specific questions you should just ask them because there are many more people on this site much more educated about such things than myself. The first step is performing a “search” of these discussion boards to see if your question has already been asked before.

    Best of luck on finding the answers you’re searching for.

    #76242
    Don
    Participant

    Originally posted by Phigalilly
    … psychics don’t *go get* any information they chose, but have the ability to perceive the information they are given.

    Nicely put, Sandra.

    #76243
    ariechert
    Participant

    My take on the “winning the lottery” question is that being the recipient of such a windfall is not always such a good thing. How many people’s lives have been ruined by having more money than wisdom? – VTFlowergirl

    A few years ago I read a study of lottery winners and at that time, of the ones they found and “studied”, 100% of them had gotten divorced. The saddest case I read about was a woman in Southern California who had won over $1 million a year, and after having split it with her husband, they divorced and now, even though she is rich – she is still a single mother with two kids. I forgot what the Onassis girl’s name is, but how will she ever know that someone who “falls in love with her” is really in love with her or only after her money? I think a person would have to be a “spiritual superman/superwoman” to be that wealthy and not have the money ruin them. You would have to go through life worrying that all your friends and the people whom you loved and cared for were only there for the money. – Art

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