FriendsCommunitiesMetaphyiscalHeader
last updated by  Jude 12 years, 1 month ago
14 voices
36 replies
  • Author
    Posts
  • #65252
    Pam B
    Keymaster

    I think that respect is probably the foundation of ethics.

    One thing that truly bothers me, and appears to be the height of disrespect in psychic work or mediumship, is attempting to give psychic information about a person without their permission. I think it’s also very disrespectful to give psychic information about a missing or deceased person, without a family member’s permission.

    Case in point: The Chandra Levy disappearance. I think we all remember when this was plastered all over the airwaves on TV and radio, only because of her connection to a politician. Famous psychics like James VanPraggh and Sylvia Browne, and some not-so-famous psychics were coming out of the woodwork, to give their impressions about what they thought had happened to her on prime time television. Some thought she was alive, and travelling, some thought she was dead, and described how she died in vidid detail, and where she would be found.

    Right or wrong about their psychic information – and no matter what the motivation (simply wanting more attention, media exposure or to really help) they had not been asked by the family to give these impressions. I cringed when I heard some descriptions, wondering how I would feel, if I were Chandra’s mother, listening to how my daughter’s body was decomposing in a bog somewhere. Or wondering if she really was alive, and simply travelling the English countryside, when she had to know I was sick about her disappearance. How does this help anyone at all, except the psychic’s career and the TV ratings?

    The news reported that the Levy family were being inundated by psychics trying to give them information about her whereabouts. Some psychics even went so far as to walk up and knock on the Levy’s door and insist they had heard from their daughter. The news reported that the Levy family were not interested in seeking out the services of a psychic.

    And that’s ok. Not everyone believes in psychic ability, and even if they do, not everyone wants to utilize it. That’s freedom of choice, and I respect that.

    During that time, before Chandra had been found, I was at a John Edward seminar in Indianapolis with many long time Friends from this community. During question and answer time, the question was inevitabely asked: “Can you help find missing people, such as in the Chandra Levy case?”

    His answer? “I can and have, but not unless I am specifically invited by the family to do so.” He said that he had indeed been contacted by many media outlets to see if he would comment on the Chandra Levy case. He declined. He said that even if the Levy family HAD contacted him and requested his help, he would never comment publicly about what information he may have provided, unless of course the family asked him to do so.

    Bravo to John Edward for having that respect for families, and not succumbing to the media’s requests for his “predictions” or impressions.

    In this day and age of endless Princess Diana channellings and unsolicited “messages” from real people on the Other Side, who have real families left on earth today, I take my hat off to people like John Edward and others like him who have more ethics and feel a responsiblity to the families left on this side.

    #102595
    CarolynB
    Moderator

    One thing that truly bothers me, and appears to be the height of disrespect in psychic work or mediumship, is attempting to give psychic information about a person without their permission. I think it’s also very disrespectful to give psychic information about a missing or deceased person, without a family member’s permission.

    Bravo to John Edward for having that respect for families, and not succumbing to the media’s requests for his “predictions” or impressions.

    In this day and age of endless Princess Diana channellings and unsolicited “messages” from real people on the Other Side, who have real families left on earth today, I take my hat off to people like John Edward and others like him who have more ethics and feel a responsiblity to the families left on this side.

    Amen!

    #102596
    Gail
    Participant

    One famous psychic, and I won’t mention the name because I dislike this person, was making predictions about the miners yesterday on a live radio show. There was no connection between the psychic and the families.

    #102597
    Pam B
    Keymaster

    Thank you Gail – at the same time you posted that, a Valued Friend just brought this to my attention:
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,180681,00.html

    TV Psychic Misses Mark on Miners
    Thursday, January 05, 2006
    By Roger Friedman
    Famous TV Psychic Makes Miner Mistake

    Controversial TV psychic Sylvia Browne made a major mistake about the West Virginia miners tragedy on a Tuesday night radio show.

    I always like it when psychics are asked, ‘If you know so much, how come you haven’t won the lottery or cashed in big in Vegas or in stocks?’

    Maybe Browne was thinking the same thing when she was a guest on George Noory’s live syndicated radio show, “Coast to Coast” at around 3 a.m. on Wednesday. She had the bad luck to be commenting on a developing news story the mining disaster in West Virginia – which took a surprise turn.

    That tragic twist that the wrong announcement had been made about the miners’ fates turned out to be even worse for Browne. Just following the transcript of what occurred, it’s clear the psychic had no idea what had happened to the miners, though she claimed to have been right on top of it.

    Maybe you’ve seen the gravel-voiced Browne on “The Montel Williams Show.” She appears there almost weekly, dispensing advice and connecting viewers with their loved ones on the “other side.” She commands a multimillion-dollar empire from her home base in California, deriving her fortune from in-person readings said to cost $700 and $200 for work over the phone. Her many businesses are advertised on a Web site that touts her fabulous abilities.

    Unfortunately, they failed her on Tuesday night. She was in the middle of making predictions when Noory brought up the mining disaster.

    Browne, who had just announced that John McCain would run against John Kerry in the next presidential campaign, was relieved to hear from Noory that all but one of the miners was alive.

    Noory: “Had you been on the program today, would [you] have felt if because they heard no sound that this was a very gloomy moment and that they might have all died?”

    Browne: “No. I knew they were going to be found. I hate people that say something after the fact. It’s just like I knew when the pope was dead. Thank God I was on Montel’s show. I said, according to the time, it was 9-something and whatever Rome time was. And I said he was gone, and he was.”

    But the situation was fluid, something Browne ahem! obviously didn’t sense despite her claims of being able to speak to the dead, among other things. She couldn’t have imagined that within a short time, the entire story of the miners would change completely and make her look very foolish indeed.

    Noory soon announced that there were new reports that all but one of the miners was dead.

    Browne who was still in the studio taking questions from listeners had to say something. Now she was just riffing: “I don’t think there’s anybody alive, maybe one. How crazy for them to report that they were alive when they weren’t!” Then she added: “I just don’t think they are alive.” She cleared her throat, and there was a deafening pause.

    Noory went to a commercial.

    But that wasn’t all. Hanging over the show was a feeling of dread that Browne had shown herself to be without psychic ability, just the good sense to be quick and respond to news reports.

    Returning from news and commercials for their last segment together, Noory tried to dig Browne out of her hole with a softball question. He asked: “With your accuracy rate so high ….”

    Browne answered by injecting a non sequitur. Her earlier proclamation that she’d always known the miners were alive had obviously been worrying her.

    She blurted: “I didn’t believe that they were alive.”

    Noory: “What’s that, the miners?”

    Browne: “Yeah, I didn’t think and see, I’ve been on the show with you, but I don’t think there’s any that are going to make it.”

    Noory: “They say there are 12 gone. I think we threw you a curveball, we were telling you after the fact.”

    Browne: “Yeah, no, I did believe that they were gone.”

    [snip gratutious skeptic mentions about $$$ challenges]

    #102598
    Jude
    Participant

    Sylvia Browne — unprofessional, unethical, insensitive, irresponsible, disrespectful… I could go on, but I won’t. :(

    Unfortunately, the list of people who fall into that category seems to be growing. I’m glad that John Edward has maintained his integrity and continues to show respect for, not just the families, but for those who have crossed over to the Other Side. :angel:

    Thanks for posting that article, Pam.

    #102601
    Gail
    Participant

    Yes, I was referring to Sylvia. :( I can’t watch her when she is on television. She is someone I intensely dislike because I see no warmth or caring in her for other people. It all seems to be about her.

    #102602
    Believer
    Participant

    I’m not sure why but I still can’t seem to give up on Sylvia or JVP. They’re definetely not someone I’d go to for a reading or recommend to someone but I just don’t think they’re that horrible. They have done SOME good.

    And even though I’ve heard both of them at some point bad mouth JE, I still don’t dislike them. I think they’re just annoyed that John has raised the expectations of integrity in mediumship and they have to rise to that level.

    I’ve seen JVP at one of his seminars and no he’s not that good. He IS however a medium. He does feel energy.

    My opinion is that the other side knows who to go to and who to trust. I feel that because of his lack of integrity that maybe that is why he has such a hard time connecting. Plus, I really don’t feel like he likes mediumship for some some reason. To me it feels like it’s just another way to get to what he really wants in my opinion, which is producing.

    One thing that he said once in his chat sessions kinda bothered me. He said that people shouldn’t refer to God as God but instead as the Source. He said that saying God made it too personal.

    I have to totally disagree with that because the reason we are all here IS very personal. If in the Bible it says that God knows all the hairs on your head, than you can bet it’s personal.

    Still, I can’t give up on him. I just feel he’s a little off track. I feel the same about Sylvia and that shes a little off track too.

    But thats ok, everyones got to find their own way.

    #102603
    Pam B
    Keymaster

    Thanks for sharing your viewpoint Believer.

    But to get back on topic again, which is ethics:

    Regardless of their ability, (see, “Just because you can, does it mean you should?” discussion) doesn’t it bother you that these two psychics will utilize the media to further their own careers while showing total disregard for the feelings of the loved ones of the missing and deceased?

    #102604
    Believer
    Participant

    LOL, I thought I was discussing ethics .
    ( see part about JVP lacking integrity.)

    Yes, it does bother me but I don’t think they’re total write-offs because of it.

    #102605
    Pam B
    Keymaster

    My opinion is that the other side knows who to go to and who to trust.

    I have a differing opinion on this one. I say the Other Side sees an open channel and uses it, regardless of the ethics, morality or beliefs of the channel. I’ve personally seen it hundreds of times over the last 25 years. There are truly dark personalities on this side that can connect with the Other Side for (what I believe are) the wrong reasons. It’s just my personal observation. My original beliefs were, “the other side would only choose someone ethical” and my own beliefs were bashed by what I saw.

    #102606
    CONTESSA
    Participant
    Pam wrote:
    Regardless of their ability, (see, “Just because you can, does it mean you should?” discussion) doesn’t it bother you that these two psychics will utilize the media to further their own careers while showing total disregard for the feelings of the loved ones of the missing and deceased?

    This type of behavior disturbs me to no end and unfortunately, these days it appears to be more the rule than the exception. Case in point, for me, the appearance of JVP, Sylvia Browne and Char on The Larry King Show. I am certian that Ms. Browne and JVP both knew beforhand the show would turn into a side show between the “psychics” and the “cynics”, for that is how I would catagorize Dr. Bryan Farha and Rabbi Shmuley. Ms. Browne and JVP had had run ins with these 2 before. So why agree to a “debate” with them. Perhaps in their minds any media exposure is better than none.

    The unethical behavior of any one ( not only mediums ) involved in metapyhsics, makes it increasingly difficult for the many caring, honest people in the field.

    #102682
    Searcher240
    Participant

    A lot of self promotion does go on with the high profile cases. Great psychic ability becomes a part of big business, and we all know where that can end up. :hmm: I have mixed feelings about this kind of self promotion. If it was my loved one, I would be very upset to hear them being discussed like that. Unfortunately you can be sure that wherever such a case is being discussed like over a watercooler in some office somewhere, that speculation and all is going on there too. People are going to talk and offer their own interpetations. Psychics are always being asked about what they think. In John’s case, he tries to be very respectful. I guess what we have to ask is someone being sincere in what they are offering or are they grabbing at a chance to be on tv. It’s their reputation they are gambling with and ultimately what they have to rely on.

    Sometimes it does go outside the families permission when psychics are consulted like on “Psychic Detectives” on Court tv. I’m not sure if the police are always contacting the families first before they reach out for help. Most of the time they apparently do because the family members are the ones pushing for it. Other times they are given contacts by friends or contacts of the deceased. The need for justice and prevention then may then supersede some family members objections. In the end, if justice is found, I think everyone is grateful. Court tv of course, is in it for a winning show! :lwink:

    #102720
    LADreamr
    Participant

    I’m no Sylvia Browne fan, either, but I don’t understand where the assumption comes from that they were just on to get attention. Is it not possible that they were on to try and spread awareness, and state the case for psychics/mediums? I don’t care for those episodes, because it never seems to change or fix anything, but I think it’s possible that that’s what they’re trying to do.

    I’m not criticizing anyone’s opinion, I’m just trying to understand it. There are people who say the same things about JE, and we know that isn’t correct.

    Just curious what you all think about this.

    Sarah

    #102721
    Jude
    Participant

    I know what you’re saying, Sarah. I’m also a member of the “Not a Fan of Sylvia Browne” Club and the “JVP Gives Me Some Weird Vibes” Club, but I wouldn’t want to assume that their appearance was strictly self-promoting or for the purpose of drawing attention to themselves.

    IMHO, “trying to get attention” and “spreading the message” are pretty closely related — it’s all a matter of intention on the part of the psychic/medium.

    This type of show does not appeal to me, either, because I don’t need it, and it continues to be an ongoing debate. Let’s face it, Sylvia Browne has been around a long time; her name is widely known due to the popularity of her books and her appearances on Montel, etc. I’m sure Larry King, et al, knows that — it leaves the door open for many more discussions.

    But if it generates some interest in the afterlife and in ADC, then perhaps it has served its purpose, after all.

    #102727
    Pam B
    Keymaster

    I’m sorry but I must disagree because there are extenuating circumstances here, and a matter of priority.

    True, JE is accused by those who don’t understand the process, and who have such an agenda as to demean anything that smacks of “psychic” or “afterlife” that they will purposely disregard the facts: that the family members who are being read by JE are full willing participants in the process. The bringing of JE’s detractors into this conversation would be comparing apples and organges, because it is not so with people who are discussed or written about without their permission. They don’t get that luxury of having a choice.

    My viewpoint is one of empathy for family members of the person being discussed on national TV, or in print. I’m putting them first.

    I feel that if you’re going to serve a higher purpose of teaching, spreading awareness about the afterlife and ADC, it can and should be done without ignoring the family member’s right of refusal of a “reading” and the right to refuse to have your family business (and grief) put on display for the public’s perusal. The end does not justify the means.

    What about the family members? Don’t they get a choice?

Viewing 15 posts - 1 through 15 (of 37 total)

You must be logged in to reply to this topic.