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  • #62869
    Rainay
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    Okay, when it comes to physics, I’m an idiot. Yet, I’ve been really interested in the “String Theory” for a number of years. I’ve read many articles on it including the Time article which included Einstein a couple years ago. But, because I know that physics is associated with the String Theory, I’m confused. This is what I’ve gotten from it and please, please correct me (because I’ll need to be) when needed.

    The theory is: That there are up to 11 deminsions, of which, some can not be seen by us. We can only see three???? Matter can be in front of our face, yet, we can see not see it.

    Also, I’ve heard (very little) about invisible mass , which is completely reconizable by NASA. I was watching a Stephen Hawkin (sp) thing one time and it said something like this: That NASA knows that there are things in space we don’t see and have experienced it through their space expeditions. So not a quote!

    To me, this was one of the most fascinating things I’ve ever come across that had to do with science vs spiritual things. Can anyone fill in the blanks for me?

    Thanks,
    Renee:)

    #75691
    PsyQuestor
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    You are referring to the Superstring Theory which you can learn more about at http://www.survivalscience.org

    As for the “invisible mass” seen by NASA; I’m not sure what you are referring to. I’ve been a fan of Hawking for years, but have no clue what this reference is about.

    Tammy

    #75692
    Rainay
    Participant

    Thanks Tammy.

    There was a PBS special a few years ago with Hawking. And there was mention that when astronauts (do they still call them that?) were in space, that they would, at times, bump into things that they could not see. They didn’t know what it was and were not able to explain, but they knew there was something there.

    Now that you mention it, I have heard of the superstring theory and will check out the link you sent. I just have a hard time comprehending physics and was hoping someone could explain it in English. My brother tries all the time, but not the English part.

    Renee

    #75721
    Rainay
    Participant

    I can’t believe I found it. I couldn’t find anything more recent, but here is a link to what I was talking about. http://spacelink.nasa.gov/NASA.News/NASA.News.Releases/Previous.News.Releases/96.News.Releases/96-05.News.Releases/96-05-16.New.Clues.to.Dark.Matter

    Renee:)

    #75745
    PsyQuestor
    Participant

    OH that invisible mass ( dark matter ) Gotcha.

    As for the Superstring theory, essentially it states that there are no elementary particles (like electrons or quarks), but pieces of vibrating strings. Each vibration mode corresponds to a different particle and determines its charge and its mass. In the current understanding of the theory, those strings are not “made of” anything: they are the fundamental constituent of matter. The consequences of replacing point-like particles by vibrating microscopic strings are enormous. The only consistent framework to describe those strings implies a 10- or even conceivably an 11-dimension world in which 6 or 7 dimensions are curled up. Those extra dimensions are the ones which determine the properties of the world we live in. The larger dimensions are what we perceive as the ordinary space and time.

    The curled up dimensions would be super small, but would touch every part of our four dimensional world! The theory attempts to unify the understanding of space time and well…everything. Superstring theory attempts to bridge the gap that currently exists between the theories of Quantum Machanics and General Relativity. ( they aren’t compatible at some levels ).

    Hope that helps. To really understand and appreciate the beauty of superstring we would have to be able to do the math involved.

    Tammy
    ( needs to look up dark matter and how it could bump into astronauts ~ hmmm )

    #75750
    sgrenard
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    There is ample evidence existing right now to prove the existence of a fifth dimension, which would imply the validity of an extradimensional realm for the survival of consciousness which is communicable with our own dimension. It would also validate the existence of psi and mind/brain or mind/body duality.

    The theory which posits the existence of the 5th dimension is based on one and only one assumption that has a lengthy scientific history: the physical reality of a fifth dimension that is continuous with and exists as an extension of our 4-dimensional space-time continuum. Once that assumption has been made, the physical phenomena experienced in nature and in the laboratory are reduced and easily explained within a basic hypothesis. The explanations of life, mind, consciousness and psi that evolve from from these physical considerations are not just mere speculation but logical conclusions drawn from the physical model of five dimensional space. This is all emodied in the single field theory or theory of everything long sought and probably found by Einstein and others. Its also called the Unified Field Theory of Reality or Single Field Unification. We have a a new online textbook dealing with his on http://www.survivalscience.org

    The fact that these conclusions so closely mirror what “mystics”, mediums, prophets, soothsayers (whatever) have concluded is no coincidence, but an added feature of the theory.

    The intuitive methods of the mediums and the logical methods of the scientists come to the same conclusion at some point…they collide or collude with each other. This is because both groups are searching for knowledge of the same physical reality, using the same basic tool, the mind.

    #75754
    Rainay
    Participant

    Your information was helpful and fascinating.

    Renee:)

    #75770
    BBsBliss
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    So quantum physics doesn’t agree with classical physics – the same physics rules don’t apply when looking at the micro world as the larger world of matter, right? So the string theory is supposed to be the theory that unifes our understanding of how matter behaves on both levels?

    (I think this sounds like the Dean Koontz novel I just read, “From the Corner of his Eye” where the kid could see how the world looked in many dimensions at once.) This is fascinating.

    Here’s something else I’ve been wondering…
    In my astronomy class, we’re learning all about the spectrum and the electromagnetic wavelengths/frequencies of radio waves, visible light, X-ray, gamma, etc. and I’m sitting there thinking, “Why does this have to be ALL the frequencies there are simply because they are the only ones we have measured? We can’t SEE microwaves, so it seems easy to suggest that we can’t SEE the spirit world for the same reason — our eyes are not tuned into that frequency. Is that totally off?

    #75772
    sgrenard
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    So quantum physics doesn’t agree with classical physics – the same physics rules don’t apply when looking at the micro world as the larger world of matter, right? So the string theory is supposed to be the theory that unifes our understanding of how matter behaves on both levels?

    Reply: It depends on the flavor of the month among physicists and also on who you read and whom you believe, unfortunately. Some say quantum physics (micro/subatomic world) is predicted by Einstein’s general and special relativity theories, others no. Whether it turns out to be super string theory or not as the unifier remains to be seen. The fact is unification does exist and is predicted.

    Here’s something else I’ve been wondering…
    In my astronomy class, we’re learning all about the spectrum and the electromagnetic wavelengths/frequencies of radio waves, visible light, X-ray, gamma, etc. and I’m sitting there thinking, “Why does this have to be ALL the frequencies there are simply because they are the only ones we have measured? We can’t SEE microwaves, so it seems easy to suggest that we can’t SEE the spirit world for the same reason — our eyes are not tuned into that frequency. Is that totally off?

    Reply: Indeed. The faster a substance moves, the more invisible it will become. Its predictable therefore that spirits, in visual form, are vibrating at enormous frequencies compared to our corporeal “physical: selves. Obviously they can be coached to slow down and mediums who develop that ability can learn to rev up and meet somewhere in between. Ditto for auditory evidence of spirit. I hear the buzz or the hum, but can’t get it to slow down to be decipeherable. I don’t know if there are other kinds of energy other than e-m, light, sound, radio, thermal, nuclear, microwave, etc but there may well be. For certain the kind of energies we are interested in here are vibrating at very high frequencies. That they can move in and out of parallel dimensions or universes, if you prefer, is a given.

    #75848
    ariechert
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    My understanding is that 90% of the matter in the Universe can not be seen; and that this matter is of a type that does not interact with “ordinary” matter, or the matter that we see and feel. When measuring the speed of the expanding universe Astronomers and Physicists have found that the Universe is expanding at an increasing rate, which goes against the original “Big Bang” theory. According to theory the Universe should either be expanding at a steady rate or a decreasing rate because of gravity. What they speculate is that “matter” is popping into existence into our universe thus pushing our universe apart at an ever increasing rate. They don’t know where this matter comes from but they speculate it is from either another dimension or another Universe. I have also read articles, written by reputable physicists, that the whole Universe is permeated by a type of matter that we can neither touch, see, or feel. This matter either very weakly, or doesn’t interact at all with normal matter. This theory would explain all the missing mass of the Universe that is needed to explain the “Big Bang.” When they do calculations now on the mass of the Universe they find that a large portion of the mass that is needed to explain the “Big Bang” isn’t there or can’t be seen. These theories are not from science fiction books or dime store magazines but from Physics Journals and peer reviewed published articles. – Art

    #74189
    Rainay
    Participant

    Thank you Art. This is so fascinating to me! I eat this stuff up, got it from my father.

    Renee:)

    #74182
    sgrenard
    Participant

    To add to the speculation and mystery, the following story appeared in the Daily Telegraph (UK) on Feb 11th…..sg

    from UK Daily Telegraph:

    Mysterious force holds back Nasa probe
    in deep space
    By Robert Matthews, Science Correspondent
    (Filed February 10, 2002)

    A SPACE probe launched 30 years ago has come under
    the influence of a force that has baffled scientists and
    could rewrite the laws of physics.

    Researchers say Pioneer 10, which took the first close-up
    pictures of Jupiter before leaving our solar system in
    1983, is being pulled back to the sun by an unknown
    force. The effect shows no sign of getting weaker as the
    spacecraft travels deeper into space, and scientists are
    considering the possibility that the probe has revealed a
    new force of nature.

    Dr Philip Laing, a
    member of the
    research team
    tracking the craft,
    said: “We have
    examined every
    mechanism and
    theory we can think
    of and so far nothing
    works.

    “If the effect is real, it
    will have a big impact on cosmology and spacecraft
    navigation,” said Dr Laing, of the Aerospace Corporation
    of California.

    Pioneer 10 was launched by Nasa on March 2 1972, and
    with Pioneer 11, its twin, revolutionised astronomy with
    detailed images of Jupiter and Saturn. In June 1983,
    Pioneer 10 passed Pluto, the most distant planet in our
    solar system.

    Both probes are now travelling at 27,000mph towards
    stars that they will encounter several million years from
    now. Scientists are continuing to monitor signals from
    Pioneer 10, which is more than seven billion miles from
    Earth.

    Research to be published shortly in The Physical Review,
    a leading physics journal, will show that the speed of the
    two probes is being changed by about 6 mph per century
    – a barely-perceptible effect about 10 billion times weaker
    than gravity.

    Scientists initially suspected that gas escaping from tiny
    rocket motors aboard the probes, or heat leaking from
    their nuclear power plants might be responsible. Both
    have now been ruled out. The team says no current
    theories explain why the force stays constant: all the
    most plausible forces, from gravity to the effect of solar
    radiation, decrease rapidly with distance.

    The bizarre behaviour has also eliminated the possibility
    that the two probes are being affected by the gravitational
    pull of unknown planets beyond the solar system.

    Assertions by some scientists that the force is due to a
    quirk in the Pioneer probes have also been discounted by
    the discovery that the effect seems to be affecting Galileo
    and Ulysses, two other space probes still in the solar
    system. Data from these two probes suggests the force is
    of the same strength as that found for the Pioneers.

    Dr Duncan Steel, a space scientist at Salford University,
    says even such a weak force could have huge effects on
    a cosmic scale. “It might alter the number of comets that
    come towards us over millions of years, which would have
    consequences for life on Earth. It also raises the question
    of whether we know enough about the law of gravity.”

    Until 1988, Pioneer 10 was the most remote object made
    by man – a distinction now held by Voyager 1. Should
    Pioneer 10 make contact with alien life, it carries a
    gold-plated aluminium plaque on which the figures of a
    man and woman are shown to scale, along with a map
    showing its origin that Nasa calls “the cosmic equivalent of
    a message in a bottle”.

    #74361
    Tanner2
    Participant

    Wow. I just have to say that you guys are way too smart for me. (That’s not a bad thing.) Maybe a bad thing for me because I don’t understand what you’re talking about. I am in awe and extremely impressed. This is the kind of conversation my husband would love and understand. Can’t get him on the board though. I’m sitting here reading this trying to comprehend it all, but I haven’t a clue. These old brain cells just can’t process this information. Again, wow!

    Tanner

    #74312
    sgrenard
    Participant

    Geez Tanner, you know the old expression “You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to understand this…” ? Well, its true but
    it sometimes helps. As for myself, I don’t understand a lot of it either but I am trying and frankly I don’t think even the rocket scientists understand it either ….

    :)

    Steve

    #74171
    Tanner2
    Participant

    Hey Steve,

    If you ever want to know anything about secretarial work, flower arranging, decorating, birds, insects, teenagers, elderly parents, cats (not specifically in that order) . . . I’m your gal.

    Tanner

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