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  • #64306
    Theophilia
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    I also got to thinking about the two areas here, “spiritual” and “psychic,” and that maybe there is not much (or any) difference really between a spiritual experience and a psychic one.

    But maybe there is and I am just not defining the terms the way most folks do. What do you guys think?

    Theo-

    #94052
    Pam B
    Keymaster

    I created two separate categories, because of the audience we attract. Not everyone is into the psychic aspect of John’s work. Not everyone is into the spiritual aspect either.

    I’ve run across many misconceptions that those who are “psychic” are also very spiritual people. Unfortunately, it’s not the case. You can be psychically attuned, and be an agnostic or athiest.

    I’ve also run into the misconception, that if you’re a very spiritual person, that you’re awarded with psychic gifts (the clairs, healing powers, etc.). That’s also not true!

    My personal viewpoint is that I my goal is to become a spiritually attuned person first. And then, if it appears to be my path, learn to use the natural psychic gifts that are available to us all.

    #94070
    Theophilia
    Participant

    Originally posted by Pam
    I created two separate categories, because of the audience we attract. Not everyone is into the psychic aspect of John’s work. Not everyone is into the spiritual aspect either.

    Sorry, I think I was being unclear. I’m not questioning the two topics at all, it seems like a great way to do it, to me!

    If we think about some people’s “spiritual experience” in, say, prayer, where someone feels they have gotten a message or answer to a question, that person often feels that God (by whatever name) or perhaps their guardian angel has spoken to them. In the same way, the “psychic experience” might be meditation and hearing from one’s guides.

    Joan of Arc heard from very specific people. She was, by many people’s definitions, a medium. She was also, by other spiritual definitions, a visionary. Joan had a lot of the “clairs” but we don’t think of her as psychic. I was only trying to say that I think the differences in experience are more those of nomenclature.

    Theo-

    #94082
    PBPan
    Participant

    Oh Yay! I love discussions like these…

    Okay here is my take…

    The spiritual experience vs. psychic experience – in my experience (and I am by no means an expert) I can definitely draw a line between the two experiences because my spiritual experiences are always accompanied by this warm rush of energy. My psychic experiences have a different feel for me, I feel safe an protected but this is usually accompanied with information that comes through. So for me the experiences are that when I feel the spiritual its like a hug from beyond, for the psychic its like I am in a classroom learning cool information… I don’t know if this answers your question…

    As to your later post… I agree I think the terminology we use to define our experiences are nomenclature and in the end depending on what is defining the experience – i.e. receiving information from a higher power or from guides is a matter of terminology and how we define the experience.

    #94091
    Theophilia
    Participant

    Originally posted by PBPan
    Oh Yay! I love discussions like these…

    Okay here is my take…

    The spiritual experience vs. psychic experience – in my experience (and I am by no means an expert) I can definitely draw a line between the two experiences because my spiritual experiences are always accompanied by this warm rush of energy.

    Is this warm rush of energy like, say, “electric fog?” Like little pinpoints of warm-sorta-tingly stuff? Or would you describe it another way? Just curious here.

    My psychic experiences have a different feel for me, I feel safe an protected but this is usually accompanied with information that comes through. So for me the experiences are that when I feel the spiritual its like a hug from beyond, for the psychic its like I am in a classroom learning cool information…

    Okay, so you are subjectively drawing a line between them, separating them based on how each feels to you, if I understood correctly?

    As to your later post… I agree I think the terminology we use to define our experiences are nomenclature and in the end depending on what is defining the experience – i.e. receiving information from a higher power or from guides is a matter of terminology and how we define the experience.

    I started thinking about this because of the “clairs” under the other topic. I was thinking about how often I have heard people say they have smelled roses in prayer or meditation. I have, also. We tend to associate that with Mary the mother of Jesus. Like a tradition. So it’s classified as a spiritual experience. But if your mother had passed and her favorite scent was Joy and you smelled roses, then it would seem like a psychic one.

    I’m not really asking a question I guess or giving an answer, it’s just thatthe more I get into psychic stuff, for want of a better term, the less I seem to be able to separate it from spiritual stuff.

    Theo-

    #94092
    Jude
    Participant

    Okay, maybe it’s the Libra in me, but I understand what you are all saying, and I agree.

    I agree with Pam, in that I do believe that “spiritual” and “psychic” are two different categories.

    HOWEVER — I believe that it is a very personal, individual thing, and for some, (like me) the “psychic” (for lack of a better word) and the “spiritual” definitely overlap, if not blend altogether.

    For me, prayers and meditations go hand in hand. There is no meditation without prayer time/prayer work. Whatever experiences follow are accepted as gifts from God. :love:

    But not everyone feels this way, and goodness knows there are many people out there with psychic gifts, who are not at all spiritual. :(

    #94101
    Theophilia
    Participant

    Originally posted by TXJUDE
    … and goodness knows there are many people out there with psychic gifts, who are not at all spiritual. :(

    We keep saying this, I’ve said it and heard it said, but then, what do we all mean by “spiritual?”

    I knew an atheist I thought was a very spiritual person. But by that I meant that she was attuned to people’s feelings and to the energy that surrounded her, that she acted on her intuition even when she defined that as “a set of subconsciously perceived physical cues.”

    We’ve kind of agreed that the definitions are subjective. Which is fine with me, but it leaves us in the position of often speaking to one another without understanding what we are saying. Maybe we could attempt definition by example.

    For instance, can you, or anyone, give me an example of someone you know who is psychic without being spiritual and how you know?

    Theo-

    #94102
    Pam B
    Keymaster

    No Theo, you weren’t being unclear at all, I was using the opportunity to express the “method to my madness” and to reinforce the idea that they are (in my experience) different things to different people. So much so, that I felt two separate and distinct avenues of conversation should be provided here.

    What I mean to say is, that for me personally, I would hope that my psychic experiences were based in a positive spirituality, and I’m sure than many here would agree. But in my personal experience, not everyone has the same viewpoint, for better or for worse.

    But you are very right about nomenclature, or definition being the first rule of order when discussing topics like this.

    What’s the difference? Here’s my 200 cents ;)

    According to dictionary.com, the adjective psychic is defined as, (for the purposes of this discussion) “Capable of extraordinary mental processes, such as extrasensory perception and mental telepathy.”

    So, for me, “psychic” means any information or data one receives through means beyond the normal senses of hearing, sight, smell, touch, taste, and equilibrium. It refers to the act of “receiving” and is made somewhat tangible to the person experiencing it.

    According to dictionary.com, the adjective spiritual is defined as:
    1. Of, relating to, consisting of, or having the nature of spirit; not tangible or material. (See Synonyms at immaterial.)
    2. Of, concerned with, or affecting the soul.
    3. Of, from, or relating to God; deific.
    4. Of or belonging to a church or religion; sacred.
    5. Relating to or having the nature of spirits or a spirit; supernatural.

    For me, “spiritual” means a mindfulness of a connection to the greater intelligence that includes and goes beyond the physical world that can be experienced through the normal senses. Whether you call it God, Creator, Allah, Grandfather Sky, the Goddess, and whether or not you include the host of angels, guides, guardians, faeries, sprites, and all the rest. Keep in mind there are what we’d call “dark” spiritualities out there, for example, Satanism, or any other religion that teaches use of energy for purposes without regard to what’s morally right or wrong. Right or wrong – that’s “spirituality” too, whether we like it, ascribe to it, approve of it — or not.

    I believe it’s very possible to have a one-way experience of spirituality, having a mindfulness or belief that the greater intelligence exists — without the receipt of information back from that entity that you believe in. Some religious fundamentalist teachings dissuade the congregation against believing that you can have a personal experience or conversation with God, for fear that evil influences will trick you. Many religious people pray to God throughout their lives, without feeling like they’ve ever gotten an answer, yet they still have faith to the end. They are still “spiritual” yet not using psychic ability.

    On the other hand, there’s the academic/scientific community who are researching psychic ability and purposely keeping “spirituality” out of the mix, in an attempt to prove or disprove that psychic ability does in fact exist, and that’s it not simply a matter of what your “belief” (spirituality) is.

    On that same hand, are people who use their psychic ability, but in my estimation their “spirituality” is non-existent. That’s because I imply a “positive” moral sense with the word “spirituality”. There are several psychics and mediums I’ve run into in the last 3 years, who may very well have been speaking to the Other Side, and providing accurate information, but their ego was so huge, and their sense of self-promotion for the sake of making money or gaining power, combined with their lack of sensitivity to the person being read proved to me that their “spirituality” was lacking somewhere.

    How about contact with negative spirit energy? Spirits that intend to fool or prank? (They exist, that’s why we have to do “psychic protection”) When you have contact with those energies, are you “spiritual” because they are “spirits”?

    I think you can be spiritual without being psychic.
    I think you can be psychic without being spiritual in a positive moral sense.
    I think you can be psychic without being spiritual in a scientific sense, and spiritual forces may be at work without your own acknowledgment of those spirits.

    Sorry for being so wordy!

    #94103
    Jude
    Participant

    I guess we could pull out the old Webster’s and American Heritage Dictionaries of the English Language, if we really want to try to define the word “spiritual”:

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    spiritual

    1 : of, relating to, consisting of, or affecting the spirit : INCORPOREAL
    2 a : of or relating to sacred matters b : ecclesiastical** rather than lay or temporal
    3 : concerned with religious values
    4 : related or joined in spirit
    5 a : of or relating to supernatural beings or phenomena b : of, relating to, or involving spiritualism

    ADJECTIVE: 1. Of, relating to, consisting of, or having the nature of spirit; not tangible or material. See synonyms at immaterial. 2. Of, concerned with, or affecting the soul. 3. Of, from, or relating to God; deific. 4. Of or belonging to a church or religion; sacred. 5. Relating to or having the nature of spirits or a spirit; supernatural.

    NOUN: 1a. A religious folk song of African-American origin. b. A work composed in imitation of such a song. 2. Religious, spiritual, or ecclesiastical** matters. Often used in the plural.

    ** ecclesiastical: ADJECTIVE: 1. Of or relating to a church, especially as an organized institution. 2. Appropriate to a church or to use in a church:

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    Based on the above, I feel that most of us would have a tendency to at least identify spirituality with God, in some form, depending on your own personal religious views.

    I believe that anyone who misuses their psychic gifts, who uses them in a way that would be hurtful or harmful to others, would not be spiritual.

    You didn’t really expect me to name names on a public board, did you? ;)

    #94104
    Pam B
    Keymaster

    JINX! :lwink:

    #94105
    Jude
    Participant

    OY!! Imagine my surprise when I finally finished with that post (after several interruptions) and you had beat me to it, with all those definitions! :eek:

    #94111
    Pam B
    Keymaster

    We’re either 2 great minds who think alike, or two delusional women with visions of grandeur ;)

    (How’s that for a libra explanation, from a scopio woman?????)

    #94113
    Jude
    Participant

    Well, I’m hoping it’s the former :) and not the latter. :eek:

    And pretty good for a Scorpio, I’d say! :lwink:

    #94126
    PBPan
    Participant

    Originally posted by Theophilia
    Is this warm rush of energy like, say, “electric fog?” Like little pinpoints of warm-sorta-tingly stuff? Or would you describe it another way? Just curious here.

    :musicnote Ya, I guess I could classify it as an “electric fog”… I’ve never really put this in English or any other language, so I’ll do my best. When I am in a prayer meditation vs. a psychic meditation where I am in my psychic room, I get this feeling of pure love, like the feeling you had when you were a kid and you see your mom for the first time after being away at summer camp all week. That feeling of pure love pretty much flows like a rush of adrenaline and feels soft like a pillowy cloud throughout every cell in my body. I don’t smell roses but the feeling is so safe and secure its hard to capture with words. The meditation for psychic experiences feels differently to me. I have this barrier around my being and at my third eye it sort of tingles and information comes through via the clairs. I do have moments when I am “off” and information does come through still via the clairs mostly through clairaliance (or clair smelling).

    Originally posted by Theophilia
    Okay, so you are subjectively drawing a line between them, separating them based on how each feels to you, if I understood correctly?

    :musicnote Yes, I do (this is just based on my experiences and for my experiences) draw a line between my spiritual experiences and my psychic experiences.

    :musicnote I’ll also throw out there my definition of spiritual and that is to be as unconditional with one another as possible. For me spiritual is prayer for one another and can include psychic healings and receiving information through the divine.

    To me psychic doesn’t necessarily always involve the spiritual as sometimes information comes through the person I am with – like the other day I was with someone and I was picking up on their energy and information started coming through about things going on in their life.

    So that’s just my two cents on the matter.

    Megan :jester:

    #94794
    roufus
    Participant

    For me (how’s that for a caveat?), it’s spiritual if I can directly relate it back to God in some way. Ex: When I was about to join the Catholic church, the first time I went up for a blessing during holy communion, I was overwhelmed by the fragrance of roses. I know roses are often indicative of Mary, but this was overwhelming to the point of giving me a headache. Never smelled it before or since. Wasn’t the incense. Wasn’t the flowers. But I’d classify this as a spiritual experience. A God-connecting experience.

    A psychic experience for me would be what happened when I found the cigar butt on the toilet. (I wrote about it in the After Death Communication forum.) Or when I saw the apparition in the dining room of the house I grew up in. Or when I saw the lady in white crossing in front of our car one night– and I was the only one in the car who saw her. Or when I see the “Grand Central Station crowd” at 1 a.m. around my bed. A non-God connecting experience.

    Obviously these definitions are personal; they wouldn’t work for someone who was an atheist or an agnostic.

    pax, roufus

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