Originally posted by Pam
I have to agree that it’s totally annoying and disruptive to discuss a subject in a book that you haven’t read.
Mine was the first post in this forum in a month or so Pam, so I have no idea what I was disrupting.
And if respectfully asking a question about a subject which has been discussed on this…[Read more]
No, I don’t agree. Even those who believe, came to that belief with some sort of “evidence” even if it’s only personal experience.
Agreed. To ask it another way: Do you think that HALF of those who believe in JE’s abilities fall into his “20%” category, and HALF of those who disbelieve in them fall into the other “20%” he mentions?
A skeptic may…
Originally posted by VTFlowerGirl
and I just don’t know what your point is.
It wasn’t a point, Flora. It was a question. Rephrased, it is: Do you think it is true that half of people in each camp are totally closed to evidence to prove them wrong?
Guess I’m one of those that keeps hoping someday you’ll get a copy of the book.
I’ve said it…[Read more]
Thanks for all the interesting takes on this. I thought about the subject while driving around today, and here is my take on it:
There are some statements which, while strictly and literally true, are of little or no use in the everyday world.
One such phrase is “There is no such thing as ‘cold’, there is only the absence of heat.”
Well fine,…[Read more]
Correct me if I’m wrong, but you seem to be implying that when JE says “There are no coincidences”, he is actually saying “There are no coincidences in this situation we are discussing at this moment.“, and is not saying “Nothing is ever a coincidence.”
If so, it does remove the conflict between it and the other statement.
But when…[Read more]
Rather thatn clarify, you just emphasized the reason for my confusion! :)
I wasn’t going to bring it up, but now that you mention it, that is one of the reasons I asked the question to begin with. I have seen both quotes attributed to JE:
“There are no coincidences”
“Sometimes a (whatever) is just a (whatever).”
At face…[Read more]
I agree with what you say (although if I owned the car you described, I would ride the bus instead…), but it seems to contradict JE’s “there are no coincidences”, if indeed that quote is not out of context.
The fact that it is such a definite, sweeping statement makes it difficult to imagine it being out of context, unless it was the…[Read more]
It’s the same as saying everything happens for a reason; i believe it’s the terminology that people have problems with.
It’s the generality of it that I think is confusing.
I think that everything happens for a reason, but I also think that sometimes that reason is simple coincidence. If I’m driving down the road, and notice that the…[Read more]
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I’m not even familiar with the site, it was…[Read more]
A final thought:
I am currently dealing with a lot of personal crap (I know – who isn’t?), including two deaths in the family (one human, one pet), and am not in the best frame of mind. Perhaps this clouded my judgement, or at minimum, kept me from being as clear as I could have been.
I think your post had more to do with you, and your feelings about John Edward
Sure, that’s a possibility.
As to “speaking only for myself”, I never have said, nor implied, that I speak for anyone else.
Was my thought inspired by the “aura/stage lighting” discussion? As I said earlier in the thread, that’s what brought it to mind, but…[Read more]
I never mentioned converting people.
I never said “Don’t say ‘this’, or people will think ‘that’.”
I didn’t tell anyone to do anything.
I simply brought up what I thought would be a valid consideration to anyone who cared what people thought about JE.
Perhaps it wasn’t a valid point. Or maybe it was, but I phrased it badly. Maybe it would…[Read more]
I don’t give a rat’s behind what a “not already a JE believer” thinks about what I write regarding my experiences while attending his seminar or in life in general.
or any more rude than someone who offers unsolicited advice about what you should or shouldn’t say
Sorry you thought it rude Pam, but nowhere did I say what someone should or should not say. My advice was to consider how certain staments can look to outsiders.
Was it good advice? I obviously think so, or I wouldn’t have posted it.
If there are those who do, it is just as much beyond John’s control as those who make unfounded allegations in a negative manner.
True Rainey, but not beyond the control of each of his followers who post here, and that was really who my “thoughts” were directed to.
What are you talking specifically Bob, the aura discussion?
The aura discussion is what brought it to mind, but no, it is not simply about that.
Am I missing something? Maybe I really am missing your entire point.
I think so. Try reading my post again, but imagine somebody else wrote it. Somebody who doesn’t get on your…[Read more]
Based on a quick initial read of this copy of the full report, I would say that while Randi exaggerates each of the opinions, I think his descriptions more closely represent them than do the selected quotes you gave above.
Perhaps a more leisurely second read will lead me to think otherwise.
Others can read the report and come to their…[Read more]
That’s a pretty broad question, Fredskeeper.
It would largely depend on what the cynic is doing. And, while we’re at it, it depends on what you mean by the word “cynic”.
If you mean someone who is nasty, argumentative and mocking of your beliefs, then you do your best to ignore them.
If you mean someone who has their doubts about JE and wishes…[Read more]
Surely you don’t suggest there is a double standard at work and Uri cannot earn a living this way while Randi can?
Nope, and I have no idea how you’d read that into my post. You had said you found it a farce that Randi still feels the need to debunk Geller, and I said that I would agree, were it not for the fact that Geller is still…[Read more]
You’re right Pam, skeptics don’t ever entertain the thought of there being any legit psychics, that door is never open.
This is true of some skeptics, not all. You’re implying they use too broad a brush, but in the process, are doing so yourself.
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